David Irving
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Coe was a cancer to the program? Everything I've heard is that he was well liked by teammates
OMG. When you don't work hard in practice, miss practice, miss weights...do you think that is the definition of a leader, a teammate even? Do you think that his laziness could rub his position mates the wrong way when he isn't working hard in drills (or missing them altogether) but still gets the snaps in games? Cut the cancer out and move on!
Link to him not working hard during drills/practice? Also not every player needs to be looked at as a leader. Not trying to defend him but everything I've been told was the other players liked him.
Amen brother! Just ask Brandon Jensen.
How would you feel as a teammate if Rodney Coe showed up late to meetings, lifting, practice, etc.... or didn't even show up at all sometimes, but yet he still got a lot of playing time.... while at the same time the coaches tell you that if you want to play more you have to be "All In" and do the extra work that's needed to get playing time?
It isn't coincidence that Jensen decided to come back after both Irving and Coe were booted off the team. I know it makes our DL very thin, but I'm hoping it will still be a net positive not having those two on the team this year.
As a season ticket holder I hope both of them are back on the team yesterday. Honor before victory, unless it's a WR living in a halfway house just out of jail. Or letting a guy play when he is under investigation for domestic assault. If we have a season line we did last year you wouldn't be able to trade tickets for a bag of pork rinds on eBay. Then they get to Jack prices and minimum donation levels into the face of that.
No clue what you are attempting to get at here.
Well, I take that back. I understand what you're trying to say, but you're forcing it into a situation where it doesn't work at all.
There's only one problem with this logic.... we won 3 games WITH both Coe and Irving. You wanna know why? Because other guys didn't give a rat's ***** about busting their tails when these two didn't care and still played a lot of minutes.
It destroys a team's morale and desire. If Coe and Irving were so good, why was our defense so terrible and our team so terrible?
Look at the basketball team. All the guys are talking about how hard they are working in the gym, even on their own time, because they know playing time is at a premium if they want to see any at all. This is what you strive for IMO. But if coaches reward poor effort, as they did with Coe and Irving, it completely destroys a team's will and desire. "Why should I even try when I show up everyday and work my rear end off, but guys like Coe and Irving are always breaking team rules and playing ahead of me?"
Nice try though.
The football talents of Coe and Irving are way over estimated by some on this board. The reality is that neither were All Big XII performers. Coe was a starter for just the last 4 games of last season. And was playing better. But was NOT a star. Irving had been moved from DE to DT last year and was erratic. Sometimes he played well and sometimes not so well.
We have enough players to at least be as good or better than last year's DL. IMO, we should be slightly better. Which should not be seen as having a great DL. But at least as good or better. LB's should be better even though we lost Jeremiah George.
We have enough players to at least be as good or better than last year's DL. IMO, we should be slightly better. Which should not be seen as having a great DL. But at least as good or better. LB's should be better even though we lost Jeremiah George.
Nobody said they were stars. We were hoping they wouldn't be total liabilities like the guys who will likely be playing a lot this year.
Lines at a place like Iowa State need developmental time. We will likely be playing guys who just aren't physically ready. Jensen absolutely wasn't a star, took the spring off, and we are incredibly grateful he is returning. That should tell you all we need to know about the state of the d-line.
Lines at a place like Iowa State need developmental time. We will likely be playing guys who just aren't physically ready. Jensen absolutely wasn't a star, took the spring off, and we are incredibly grateful he is returning. That should tell you all we need to know about the state of the d-line.
so should the rest of the team welcome Jensen back since he missed a good chunk of offseason workouts that the other guys were busting their tails for?
Yes. Jensen was upfront in making his decision to leave the team and forego his senior season. Jensen then was upfront in requesting that the players and coaching staff decide if he should be allowed to rejoin the team. While on the team Jensen never got in trouble and did everything asked of him. Pretty stupid to suggest that it is anything like Coe or Irving, who were actually KICKED OFF the team. There is a difference.
What makes you leap to the conclusion that the guys playing next year will be complete liabilities? Good grief. Brandon Jensen was a starter last year for goodness sakes and returns. Cousin had improved to the point of being in the rotation for the last 6 games of the season. He was a RS Freshman last year. I expect him to be greatly improved. And our other players were young as well. We really have no idea how good or bad they might be. So why not let them play before we rush to the judgement that they totally suck. Let's see how it plays out.
