CFP Expanding to 12 Teams

[spierceisu]

Honestly I always hated the BCS but would be interesting to see it in a playoff structure

At this point I think the BCS would be better. The committee uses whatever criteria they see fit at that time to get teams they want in. Every week their criteria changes for what is important and they just move whoever they want into the spots. Remember when TCU was going to be in and beat us by like 50 and dropped out because the committee really just didn't want them in there and made up a way to keep them out.

 

[cymonw1980]

b10 is a fraud conf (even as currently constructed)...

last 20 yrs current b10 teams have won 3 titles.... Mich, OSU, USC.

OSU is often the only team that can compete with the top tier in the sec in the whole conf. Yet, you have teams like iowa beating their chest because they beat up ill, neb, min, nw, purdue, msu, etc... and then get pounded by osu.

Mich has stepped up recently (may not be back for a while), and USC has had good years historically, but have not won the champ for 20 yrs and since carrol have not really been the same.

There are brands and teams that have won in the past and they will have a lot of money to compete in the future. But there is OSU and no one else in the conf that has consistently been better than top teams in the B12 (TCU beat mich in the play off 2 years ago).

Not saying B12 has multiple teams significantly better than b10 runner up every year, but b10 is suspect beyond OSU most years. Problem is brand value is significant and impacts rankings.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Needing 4 auto bids in a 12 team tournament for a conference that has historically not even been that great outside of two teams is inherently fearful and insecure. Just earn it. It's being fearful to need the autobids, the committee or a computer ranking can give them 8 teams if 8 deserve it.

The G5 team beating them would be a year the 4th place team isn't that great...I mean before the recent additions Iowa was the common 4th place team. Yeah they would lose sometimes.

Not talking about the old big ten, talking about the current. For the record as I’ve talked many times I’m against auto bids for anyone that isn’t a champion so not sure why you’re coming at me so hard on this.

You’re the one saying a G5 is regularly beating Michaign/USC/Penn State/OSU/Oregon.

 

[MeowingCows]

It’s actually not say it’s not enough, it’s saying it’s not the right number. You can read into it how you want, and you may be right, but you’re still reading into it.

A super league isn’t happening and has no reason to as everyone just loses then

There's only two ways to take that comment: it's not enough, or it's too many. One of those answers doesn't make any sense from the perspective of the person saying it.

"A super league isn't happening" is simply naivety from someone already safely around it and never having to worry. No, everyone doesn't lose -- the teams in the league win much, much more than they did before. Everyone else loses... but that's not you, as it stands today.

 

[HFCS]

Oh these new rules I haven’t finalized myself with.

Go ahead and introduce those for cfb. I’m not sure if you’re gonna like the outcome. Same as when the premier league gets 7 spots the other leagues are going to be pissed

If a coefficent told me 6 Big Ten auto bids and 1 Big 12 auto bid I'd be in love with that system.

It's not going to though because this:


My guess is a coefficient would deliver us something this year like:
SEC: 5
BIg Ten: 3
BIg 12: 2
ACC: 2
(If a G5 is forced in you probably take one from ACC)

A computer is DEFINITELY not going to spit out:
SEC: 4
BIg Ten: 4
Big 12: 1
ACC: 1
G5: 1

 

[Freebird]

Some exciting playoffs when it’s the same damn teams who already played against each other earlier in the year. Can’t wait to watch two mid B10 schools not named Penn St, Ohio St or Michigan get drilled every year along with Ol Miss or whatever fake SEC school got an easy schedule.
This makes me almost miss the BCS. At least Bowl season was entertaining

 

[jdoggivjc]

b10 is a fraud conf (even as currently constructed)...

last 20 yrs current b10 teams have won 3 titles.... Mich, OSU, USC.

OSU is often the only team that can compete with the top tier in the sec in the whole conf. Yet, you have teams like iowa beating their chest because they beat up ill, neb, min, nw, purdue, msu, etc... and then get pounded by osu.

Mich has stepped up recently (may not be back for a while), and USC has had good years historically, but have not won the champ for 20 yrs and since carrol have not really been the same.

There are brands and teams that have won in the past and they will have a lot of money to compete in the future. But there is OSU and no one else in the conf that has consistently been better than top teams in the B12 (TCU beat mich in the play off 2 years ago).

Not saying B12 has multiple teams significantly better than b10 runner up every year, but b10 is suspect beyond OSU most years. Problem is brand value is significant and impacts rankings.

Quit being nice - USC's is NOT a Big 10 title... even if the Big 10 is desperate enough to count it as such.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

b10 is a fraud conf (even as currently constructed)...

last 20 yrs current b10 teams have won 3 titles.... Mich, OSU, USC.

OSU is often the only team that can compete with the top tier in the sec in the whole conf. Yet, you have teams like iowa beating their chest because they beat up ill, neb, min, nw, purdue, msu, etc... and then get pounded by osu.

Mich has stepped up recently (may not be back for a while), and USC has had good years historically, but have not won the champ for 20 yrs and since carrol have not really been the same.

There are brands and teams that have won in the past and they will have a lot of money to compete in the future. But there is OSU and no one else in the conf that has consistently been better than top teams in the B12 (TCU beat mich in the play off 2 years ago).

Not saying B12 has multiple teams significantly better than b10 runner up every year, but b10 is suspect beyond OSU most years. Problem is brand value is significant and impacts rankings.

So every conference that’s isn’t the SEC is frauds then? Michigan just won a natty beating Bama and Texas.

 

[HFCS]

Some exciting playoffs when it’s the same damn teams who already played against each other earlier in the year. Can’t wait to watch two mid B10 schools not named Penn St, Ohio St or Michigan get drilled every year along with Ol Miss or whatever fake SEC school got an easy schedule.
This makes me almost miss the BCS. At least Bowl season was entertaining

BCS ranking is the best ranking/seeding/selection college football has ever had by light years.

The only problem was it fed into a two team playoff. They should have just made that an 8 or 16 team playoff, found a way to chill the conf realignment insanity, and they'd have had the perfect national sport with true access in nearly every state.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

They may not be great at QB but they still aren't getting 'exposed' by a B12, ACC, G5 team. Beat in a close game? Maybe. Exposed? No chance in hell.

UNI fans are insufferable.

 

[HFCS]

So every conference that’s isn’t the SEC is frauds then? Michigan just won a natty beating Bama and Texas.

He's saying the Big Ten brass demanding 4 auto bids to match SEC 4 auto bids are frauds. That's also who I am calling pathetic cowards, not you.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

I'm trying to wrap my head around how a small committee in basketball that overvalued the Big 12 versus tournament results last year is good and fine but the same thing with the SEC and Big Ten in football is ruining the sport.

These tournaments are made for TV events to draw eyeballs not in any way designed to give us a true champion.

And I say that as someone who loves the hell out of Big 12 basketball.

 

[Clonehomer]

I'm trying to wrap my head around how a small committee in basketball that overvalued the Big 12 versus tournament results last year is good and fine but the same thing with the SEC and Big Ten in football is ruining the sport.

These tournaments are made for TV events to draw eyeballs not in any way designed to give us a true champion.

And I say that as someone who loves the hell out of Big 12 basketball.

When the Big12 demands that the top 6 teams should get auto bids then I’ll join in the uproar.

But you’re right. We should probably use a computer model to pick that too.

 

[Sigmapolis]

If a coefficent told me 6 Big Ten auto bids and 1 Big 12 auto bid I'd be in love with that system.

It's not going to though because this:
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My guess is a coefficient would deliver us something this year like:
SEC: 5
BIg Ten: 3
BIg 12: 2
ACC: 2
(If a G5 is forced in you probably take one from ACC)

A computer is DEFINITELY not going to spit out:
SEC: 4
BIg Ten: 4
Big 12: 1
ACC: 1
G5: 1

Speaking from experience here...

You can make even the best model say whatever it is you want it to say.

 

[MeowingCows]

I'm trying to wrap my head around how a small committee in basketball that overvalued the Big 12 versus tournament results last year is good and fine but the same thing with the SEC and Big Ten in football is ruining the sport.

These tournaments are made for TV events to draw eyeballs not in any way designed to give us a true champion.

And I say that as someone who loves the hell out of Big 12 basketball.

One committee used subjectivity to overvalue those basketball teams, but there was no specific mandate to require it to go how it did.

The football conferences are trying to force their way by mandate into 2/3rds of the seats available, regardless of actual on-field outcomes leading up to then.

One of these is clearly more damaging to a legitimate sports operation than the other.

 

[HFCS]

I'm trying to wrap my head around how a small committee in basketball that overvalued the Big 12 versus tournament results last year is good and fine but the same thing with the SEC and Big Ten in football is ruining the sport.

These tournaments are made for TV events to draw eyeballs not in any way designed to give us a true champion.

And I say that as someone who loves the hell out of Big 12 basketball.

Analogous would be that Big 12 and Big East demand 10 and 7 autobids to march madness while SEC, ACC and Big Ten only get one or two.

The justification would be the Big 12 and Big East were the smallest leagues but getting the most Final Fours and champs. They've been by far the best basketball conferences for a while now.

The ACC, SEC and Big 12 fans would say "if you're so good, why do you need auto bids?" and they'd be 10000% right.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

Analogous would be that Big 12 and Big East demand 10 and 7 autobids to march madness while SEC, ACC and Big Ten only get one or two.

The justification would be the Big 12 and Big East were the smallest leagues but getting the most Final Fours and champs. They've been by far the best basketball conferences for a while now.

The ACC, SEC and Big 12 fans would say "if you're so good, why do you need auto bids?" and they'd be 10000% right.

Fair.

At the end of the day those bids are going be earned 9 times out of 10 anyway but I see your point here.

 

[HFCS]

Speaking from experience here...

You can make even the best model say whatever it is you want it to say.

The BCS computer average used 8 distinct computer rankings and threw out high/low.

Do you think any average like that could possibly say the Big Ten and SEC are exactly equal at football and both are 4x better than ACC and Big 12?

4 auto bids for the Big Ten is absurd, but it shows us how predatory these jackoffs are.

 

[Al_4_State]

Fair.

At the end of the day those bids are going be earned 9 times out of 10 anyway but I see your point here.

The mandate is the problem. It’s their need to say “**** you, this is ours because we have more money”.

 

[madguy30]

Honestly I always hated the BCS but would be interesting to see it in a playoff structure

I didn't like the BCS system when we had it, but I would give nearly anything to go back to those days.

As much as it helped resolve issues like '97 Nebraska and Michigan, it was almost too soon for such an anti-climactic way of figuring out whom should play whom.

But then there were still issues later with late losses etc. so here are.

It would be really useful now but I'd guess we'll get a bunch of 'eye test' type of responses when there's a non-ratings driving team getting the shaft.