CFP Expanding to 12 Teams

[Sigmapolis]

I don’t disagree with a lot of what you are saying but one thing I wonder about is if the computer models will have enough data in the future.

If the SEC goes to 9 conference games and then they schedule this non-conference game of B1G-SEC like they are talking about, then I assume the last 2 games on the schedule are going to be cupcake home games against Sunbelt level teams.

I’m not sure how many remaining games there will be against other conferences for the computers to even know how the conferences compare in terms of strength.

But to be clear, I don’t disagree with the broader point that we need a non-biased way to make the decisions and maybe the computers will still be the best way to do it.

If the Big Ten/SEC "disconnect" from the rest of college football to that degree (which I think they will at some point) save maybe one de facto exhibition game per year against a woefully overmatched FCS or G5 school (not a Big 12 or current ACC school, do note) then the computer being unable to make valid comparisons between the "P4" conferences at that point isn't going to matter in the absolute slightest.

The P4 would be in de facto divisions at that point and will probably end up having separate championships. Which at some level... is fine by me. It might be inevitable. Let the Big Ten and SEC and ND go and let the Big 12 and ACC remnants, G5, and the best few FCS conferences be at different levels.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

I don’t disagree with a lot of what you are saying but one thing I wonder about is if the computer models will have enough data in the future.

If the SEC goes to 9 conference games and then they schedule this non-conference game of B1G-SEC like they are talking about, then I assume the last 2 games on the schedule are going to be cupcake home games against Sunbelt level teams.

I’m not sure how many remaining games there will be against other conferences for the computers to even know how the conferences compare in terms of strength.

But to be clear, I don’t disagree with the broader point that we need a non-biased way to make the decisions and maybe the computers will still be the best way to do it. Maybe Iowa-ISU will be the last remaining game between the conferences and the winner will determine for the year which conference is stronger that year, lol.

There aren’t enough games right now to give the computers the systems they need. The only people who quite any computer rankings are those that the rankings view highly when the rest of the world doesn’t.

This isn’t basketball with robust out of conference scheduling or a ton of other metrics over a 30+ game season.

 

[RustShack]

I don’t think weak non con games have ever hurt a team as much as people claim or think they should. It’s a win, and that matters most. Now it was a legit concern for G5’s, if they didn’t play against a single ranked team and only beat cupcakes.

 

[T-oh double D]

There is a path if both ISU and BYU meet as undefeateds in the championship game and then play an exciting tight game. There is also the chance of ISU as an undefeated losing to Colorado with 1 loss in the championship game again it has to be a close exciting game. Those are the only 2 scenarios I see getting 2 teams in right now without a bunch of chaos.

I’d give a big maybe on that one…

I’d love to hear everyone else’s thoughts as well as yours (even tho you’ve already answered it with us and BYU meeting as undefeated teams) but here’s my question:

If ISU gets to Dallas and loses in the Championship game, does anyone really believe they would take us in the playoffs as the #2 Big 12 team?

 

[ClubCy]

I’d give a big maybe on that one…

I’d love to hear everyone else’s thoughts as well as yours (even tho you’ve already answered it with us and BYU meeting as undefeated teams) but here’s my question:

If ISU gets to Dallas and loses in the Championship game, does anyone really believe they would take us in the playoffs as the #2 Big 12 team?

Depends on the regular season record.

 

[T-oh double D]

We don't know for sure that they will only take one token Big 12 and ACC team. If this is truly what plays out EVERY non Big 10/SEC team that plays FBS should stay in solidarity and not participate in the so called "national" playoff and also immediately cancel any future games scheduled against Big10/SEC teams.

I guess we’ll see won’t we? I hope I’m wrong. I want to believe- I really do. I want to believe that we could be a quality 1 or even a 2 loss team and still get in over a 3 loss SEC team, I just don’t see it.

After what they did to Florida State last year- UNDEFEATED Florida State, a program with multiple championships and much more history and national respect than we do. If they’ll do it to them, they’ll sure as heck do it to us.

I 100% agree with the last part of your post- all non-SEC/BIG teams should stick together and let those 2 conferences just continuously play with themselves.

 

[goody2012]

I’d give a big maybe on that one…

I’d love to hear everyone else’s thoughts as well as yours (even tho you’ve already answered it with us and BYU meeting as undefeated teams) but here’s my question:

If ISU gets to Dallas and loses in the Championship game, does anyone really believe they would take us in the playoffs as the #2 Big 12 team?

If we were undefeated going into the game 100%. With one loss going into the game, maybe 30-40%.

 

[T-oh double D]

Depends on the regular season record.

Ok- so do we get in as a 1 loss, #2 Big 12 over a 3 loss SEC? I’m not including the BIG here because outside of Ohio State, the BIG is pretty average so far…except maybe Oregon.

what about us as a 2 loss, #2 Big 12 team?

I’m sorry, but they’re going to take at least 4, maybe 5 SEC teams to the playoffs this year. Just look at the pre-season rankings bias the season started with. All the SEC teams are ranked on top- if one loses when they play each other, they just fall a little. The way the rankings were set up at the beginning of the year, it almost demands 4 or 5 SEC teams.

Now look at Big 12 teams, if they lose, we fall 7, 8 spots. It’s ridiculous, but it’s the world we’re in.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

I guess we’ll see won’t we? I hope I’m wrong. I want to believe- I really do. I want to believe that we could be a quality 1 or even a 2 loss team and still get in over a 3 loss SEC team, I just don’t see it.

After what they did to Florida State last year- UNDEFEATED Florida State, a program with multiple championships and much more history and national respect than we do. If they’ll do it to them, they’ll sure as heck do it to us.

I 100% agree with the last part of your post- all non-SEC/BIG teams should stick together and let those 2 conferences just continuously play with themselves.

1 loss you’re fine, 2 gets dicey but it depends on the losses and other teams similar to Florida state last year.

 

[ClubCy]

Ok- so do we get in as a 1 loss, #2 Big 12 over a 3 loss SEC? I’m not including the BIG here because outside of Ohio State, the BIG is pretty average so far…except maybe Oregon.

what about us as a 2 loss, #2 Big 12 team?

I’m sorry, but they’re going to take at least 4, maybe 5 SEC teams to the playoffs this year. Just look at the pre-season rankings bias the season started with. All the SEC teams are ranked on top- if one loses when they play each other, they just fall a little. The way the rankings were set up at the beginning of the year, it almost demands 4 or 5 SEC teams.

Now look at Big 12 teams, if they lose, we fall 7, 8 spots. It’s ridiculous, but it’s the world we’re in.

11-2 (2nd loss in CCG) probably in. 10-3 (3rd loss in CCG) no shot.

 

[Raiders70]

I guess we’ll see won’t we? I hope I’m wrong. I want to believe- I really do. I want to believe that we could be a quality 1 or even a 2 loss team and still get in over a 3 loss SEC team, I just don’t see it.

After what they did to Florida State last year- UNDEFEATED Florida State, a program with multiple championships and much more history and national respect than we do. If they’ll do it to them, they’ll sure as heck do it to us.

I 100% agree with the last part of your post- all non-SEC/BIG teams should stick together and let those 2 conferences just continuously play with themselves.

Excellent point about Florida State last year. I remember ESPN basically reporting as a fact that they would be left out (How did they know)and astonished that the Tv personalities pretty much agreed that it was a just decision. So non SEC/Big 10 fans definitely have cause to be worried.

 

[T-oh double D]

Excellent point about Florida State last year. I remember ESPN basically reporting as a fact that they would be left out (How did they know)and astonished that the Tv personalities pretty much agreed that it was a just decision. So non SEC/Big 10 fans definitely have cause to be worried.

And I don’t give a crap about FSU, but it really pissed me off as a fan. I mean, undefeated in a P5 and it wasn’t good enough? It just felt wrong.

Those announcers knew because they knew what was going to happen- SEC was getting in no matter what it cost a more deserving team.

 

[Raiders70]

And I don’t give a crap about FSU, but it really pissed me off as a fan. I mean, undefeated in a P5 and it wasn’t good enough? It just felt wrong.

Those announcers knew because they knew what was going to happen- SEC was getting in no matter what it cost a more deserving team.

And not to beat a dead horse. But Florida State beat Florida on the road which is a very hostile environment and then beat a pretty good Louisville team in the ACC championship. So pretty good wins to end the season. The idea that its not even good enough to just win but that you must look flashy doing it is preposterous. ISU just the type of team that would grind out a 17-14 win over a K state or Utah. But apparently that might not be considered a good enough win. Unless of course you play in the SEC or Big Ten.

 

[Clonehomer]

I guess we’ll see won’t we? I hope I’m wrong. I want to believe- I really do. I want to believe that we could be a quality 1 or even a 2 loss team and still get in over a 3 loss SEC team, I just don’t see it.

After what they did to Florida State last year- UNDEFEATED Florida State, a program with multiple championships and much more history and national respect than we do. If they’ll do it to them, they’ll sure as heck do it to us.

I 100% agree with the last part of your post- all non-SEC/BIG teams should stick together and let those 2 conferences just continuously play with themselves.

Also, not all 3 loss SEC teams are built the same. The SEC fans love to tout their top teams, which granted, are very good and deserving. But with the large conferences, schedules can get soft quickly if you avoid those top teams. You’re only playing 8 of the other 15 teams in the conference (or 9 of the other 17 for Big10). Schedule strength will vary greatly even within the conference.

It gets to be similar to basketball where you need to show the specific wins and losses on a resume rather than a conference record.