CFP Expanding to 12 Teams

[cymonw1980]

Actually yes as a whole. The SEC is the only conference in the last 25 years to have
several different teams win titles. Every other conference has a couple of teams do it but the SEC has had multiple teams win multiple championships in that timeframe.

exactly. this is my point.

people comparing the B12 teams to Bama/Uga/OSU/tex like the rest of the b10 would be any more successful than ISU/Utah/KSU.

I don't think psu/mich/nd/mizz are anywhere near the level of the top 4.

only teams that I think MIGHT be close are oregon and tennessee. after that not convinced anyone is at that level. It's not like clemson gave uga a game.

 

[mj4cy]

Honestly, I’d get behind it if the Big 12 gets a second bid. A 14 team format with 4 SEC, 4 B1G, 2 B12, 2 ACC, 1 G5, 1 Notre Dame/ at large was floated about last year.

I wouldn’t mind getting rid of subjectivity/committee bias while cementing our status as a multi-bid league.

They system is horribly rigged but I'd sign up for this right here...you at least have a seat at the table.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

So effectively the extra 2 is the G5 spot and an at large that can be Notre Dame...although with so many high ranked SEC teams ND would have to pray the 4 auto bids is also a cap that the SEC can't get 5.

It's incredibly absurd unless it's something that gets evaluated every year like euro soccer gets evaluated.

Note dame has the same way to get in at a 12 team and as a 14.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

exactly. this is my point.

people comparing the B12 teams to Bama/Uga/OSU/tex like the rest of the b10 would be any more successful than ISU/Utah/KSU.

I don't think psu/mich/nd/mizz are anywhere near the level of the top 4.

only teams that I think MIGHT be close are oregon and tennessee. after that not convinced anyone is at that level. It's not like clemson gave uga a game.

You’re putting Texas awfully high considering they have never won a playoff game. Although they do look great this year.

 

[jctisu]

Like that you went back 25 years to get OU in there, I would have done the same thing and I respect it

Nope I did 25 years because it’s a nice simple number many use. A quarter of a century. If you want me to do 20 years then it’s still almost the exact same. OU, Texas and Nebraska for the Big 12 all played for national championships (OU multiple times) so they were clearly competitive. The Big Ten until last year was just Ohio State.

Now yes moving forward all of those teams are now in the SEC and Big Ten (although nobody cares about Nebraska) but the point is still valid. The SEC is the only conference that should be allowed to throw its weight around if we are so inclined to have that.

 

[HFCS]

Note dame has the same way to get in at a 12 team and as a 14.

There are 7 at large teams now and you're describing to me a 14 team playoff with 1 or 2 at large teams depending on if G5 gets guarnateed.

In the smoke filled room 14 team version are they capped at 4/4/2/2 or only guaranteed those? SEC would still gobble up 6 bids a lot of years before getting to ND including this year.

I'd agree right now something that guarantees two bids to Big 12 is probably good for big 12 but still not entirely fair and also kind of creates problems with the championship game loser vs 3rd place team.

 

[mj4cy]

Wonder what would happen say ISU is 11-1 and Iowa is 10-2, if the committee had the balls to do the right thing.

 

[jctisu]

My favorite part of this rather stupid discussion is it always turns into “Yeah but this!” and then “Well yeah but this!” and we all look like complete idiots because we all are.

The truth is this, with NIL and the transfer portal there is zero doubt the talent is getting more spread out.

There are only a handful of really good teams and then a crap ton of good teams with flaws that can lose to a bunch of teams on any given day. So it’s completely asinine and ridiculous to thump the chest for anyone outside of a very small number of teams. And I am talking this year basically Bama, Ohio State, Texas and Georgia. Even then we STILL don’t know about some of these teams. After that it’s a bunch of good to solid teams that can lose to many P4 teams and some G5 teams on the right or wrong day.

 

[HFCS]

You’re putting Texas awfully high considering they have never won a playoff game. Although they do look great this year.

Until last year practically no teams besides SEC and Ohio State had any success in 4 team playoff and a lot of teams like Oklahoma, Texas, Michigan, USC were consistent losers or never beens.

I'm excited to see some earlier round games because starting at the final four really lends itself to SEC. Even if the Final Four is still SEC it will be more fun to get there.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

There are 7 at large teams now and you're describing to me a 14 team playoff with 1 or 2 at large teams depending on if G5 gets guarnateed.

In the smoke filled room 14 team version are they capped at 4/4/2/2 or only guaranteed those? SEC would still gobble up 6 bids a lot of years before getting to ND including this year.

I'd agree right now something that guarantees two bids to Big 12 is probably good for big 12 but still not entirely fair and also kind of creates problems with the championship game loser vs 3rd place team.

It doesn’t matter it’s about where ND finishes. Not about the auto bids

 

[heitclone]

It'll never happen bc the sec and big ten were often left out but the only fair way to fill out the playoffs is with a system that takes humans out of the equation. A bcs like system wouldn't be nearly as controversial with 12 teams qualifying and would provide data as to why teams are better, not just the committee's opinions. The SEC would still get the most bids, the big ten would likely always get their big 2 in, it really wouldn't be much different but it wouldn't feel as rigged as it does now.

The biggest question with this is, why the big ten is ever in the same discussion as the SEC.

 

[cymonw1980]

You’re putting Texas awfully high considering they have never won a playoff game. Although they do look great this year.

tex = this year only...

there has been much made of b12 champ getting blown out by #5 seed... I get it since it will be the sec runner up (either uga, bama, or tex). I am not saying tex historically has been good. they are not much better than mich in recent (20yrs) history and in the last decade, they are worse.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

tex = this year only...

there has been much made of b12 champ getting blown out by #5 seed... I get it since it will be the sec runner up (either uga, bama, or tex). I am not saying tex historically has been good. they are not much better than mich in recent (20yrs) history and in the last decade, they are worse.

ISU could also be the 3 seed playing the 6, no one knows. That could be Georgia, Bama, Texas, etc. Won’t know the matchup and I’ll be cheering for ya but that’s just a different class of athlete all together

 

[simply1]

ISU could also be the 3 seed playing the 6, no one knows. That could be Georgia, Bama, Texas, etc. Won’t know the matchup and I’ll be cheering for ya but that’s just a different class of athlete all together

It’s not like we don’t know a little what that entails, we played Texas just last year.

 

[HFCS]

It’s not like we don’t know a little what that entails, we played Texas just last year.

We've actually played OU/Texas pretty well in Oct/Nov games lately. OU got blasted 63-28 in the CFP the year we effectively tied them in Big 12 play and I'm sure we'd have been as well.

It's playing just about anybody in September and in a bowl game where we've not been very good.

 

[2speedy1]

My ultimate championship, goes to 8 or 16 teams.
Gets rid of the bye games.
limits autobids to the champions like it is now.

There is no justification for more autobids per league. Its stupid to consider 4 for any league. Ridiculously stupid. Fact of the matter is most years those leagues will get at least 3 anyway, but guaranteeing 4 is insane.

God the B1G and SEC get worse all the time. **** them.

How would those jackwagons like it if we said we get 12 autobids to the NCAA tourney, and they get none, and can only play in? They would go insane.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

ISU could also be the 3 seed playing the 6, no one knows. That could be Georgia, Bama, Texas, etc. Won’t know the matchup and I’ll be cheering for ya but that’s just a different class of athlete all together

I'll never forget the sheer size and athleticism difference from when Iowa State played Notre Dame in Orlando.

The difference in full display right out in the open.

 

[cymonw1980]

ISU could also be the 3 seed playing the 6, no one knows. That could be Georgia, Bama, Texas, etc. Won’t know the matchup and I’ll be cheering for ya but that’s just a different class of athlete all together

yes... who knows, maybe the 3 seed playing oregon and beating them

 

[snowcraig2.0]

I'll never forget the sheer size and athleticism difference from when Iowa State played Notre Dame in Orlando.

The difference in full display right out in the open.

We get it, you think ISU sucks and should accept its fate. Time for you to go back to Cedar Falls and Iowa City where you belong.

 

[Cyclonsin]

I'll never forget the sheer size and athleticism difference from when Iowa State played Notre Dame in Orlando.

The difference in full display right out in the open.

Fortunately, I think we've drastically improved out athleticism since then. I doubt we've caught up, but we've narrowed the gap.

Unfortunately, I think ND was (and still is) a pretty significant ways behind the true top tier in size/speed/skill.