CFP Expanding to 12 Teams

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I could get behind this proposal. Essentially you’d be competing with like funded schools for those spots. If one conference is down, you aren’t forced to put in a set number of schools if they’re not deserving.

But I’d still require the conference champion to be one of those 7 or 4 spots. You don’t want all 7 or all 4 going to one conference and shutting another out.
I think he’s talking 7 guaranteed spots and 4 guaranteed spots which is essentially what is being proposed just 1 less guaranteed for the SEC/Bigten. I don’t have a problem with that but the end result is going to be the same.
 

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“That lady”, her name is Heather Dinech, and is probably one of most respected football writers in America. Do you guys just say stuff to say stuff if you don’t like what’s being said?
Slide off that soap box pal, I was at the gym, didn't feel like trying to copy paste her name.

And she's been a dance on the Big 12's grave person.

Here is one of her articles saying from one of her 'sources' saying the Pac 12 media deal was going to be on par with the Big 12 and ACC.


So no, she's not highly reliable.
 
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I don't actually hate the 4 B1G/SEC slots in a 14-team playoff. The reality is they would get those spots in a large majority of years anyway.

The current system makes it very difficult to imagine Ames ever hosting a playoff game. But in a 14-teamer, the Big 12 champion wouldn't get a bye. (I expect the B1G/SEC will also want to eliminate the seeding preference for ACC/Big 12 champions, but maybe not.)

4 B1G + 4 SEC + 3 B12/ACC/G5 = 11 bids locked up. One has to stay available for Notre Dame. I very much doubt the B1G and SEC would let the B12 and ACC each claim the last two. But maybe the B12 and ACC could negotiate that the highest ranked non-champion from those two leagues combined is guaranteed a bid.
 
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I think he’s talking 7 guaranteed spots and 4 guaranteed spots which is essentially what is being proposed just 1 less guaranteed for the SEC/Bigten. I don’t have a problem with that but the end result is going to be the same.

But where I saw the difference is that you’re not guaranteeing 4 spots each for the Big10 or SEC. You’re saying that in total you have 7 (or 8) spots reserved for the “P2” teams. And you have 4 spots reserved for the Big12 and ACC. But as the quality of each conference fluctuates, it can be flexible if the ACC has more deserving teams than the Big12 and get a 3:1 ratio instead of 2 and 2 guaranteed. i guess the problem I have is saying the 4th place team in the SEC gets in regardless of what happened on the field. Cause, this may sound crazy, but the results on the field still need to matter.
 

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But where I saw the difference is that you’re not guaranteeing 4 spots each for the Big10 or SEC. You’re saying that in total you have 7 (or 8) spots reserved for the “P2” teams. And you have 4 spots reserved for the Big12 and ACC. But as the quality of each conference fluctuates, it can be flexible if the ACC has more deserving teams than the Big12 and get a 3:1 ratio instead of 2 and 2 guaranteed. i guess the problem I have is saying the 4th place team in the SEC gets in regardless of what happened on the field. Cause, this may sound crazy, but the results on the field still need to matter.
Totally agree with the last sentence, I don’t like the idea of any autobid outside the champions.
 
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Totally agree with the last sentence, I don’t like the idea of any autobid outside the champions.

Agreed. I just wish the system weren’t a popularity contest. I’d much prefer to give conference champs the top 5 spots and use the old BCS formula to pick the rest. Too much subjectivity and bias in the selection committee.
 

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Agreed. I just wish the system weren’t a popularity contest. I’d much prefer to give conference champs the top 5 spots and use the old BCS formula to pick the rest. Too much subjectivity and bias in the selection committee.
Honestly I always hated the BCS but would be interesting to see it in a playoff structure
 
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Slide off that soap box pal, I was at the gym, didn't feel like trying to copy paste her name.

And she's been a dance on the Big 12's grave person.

Here is one of her articles saying from one of her 'sources' saying the Pac 12 media deal was going to be on par with the Big 12 and ACC.


So no, she's not highly reliable.
Claims she’s a dances on the Big 12’s grave then posts an article about a separate conference’s media deal when the Big 12 had already secured a media deal 10 months earlier and where the Big 12 was hardly mentioned. What grave is she dancing on this article?

Did she get it wrong about them securing a deal? I guess, but they were all heading to the table to sign a deal until that morning when Ore/wash got up and left. A lot of people were wrong in that situation.

Pretty sure they are a Big10 fan. Just threw a cy in their name to make it seem like they aren’t.
You caught me.
 

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I would relax on the overreacting here. That lady is far from a reliable source.
She’s an ESPN mouth piece, which is a pertinent

I’m surprised you think this is overreaction. The Big 12 and ACC are what we used to think of as the American. We soon won’t be peers of p2, although hopefully we’ll have “access”.

And in football, for most in the Big 12 and ACC, the CFP expansion and access will mean it can be as good as ever. Games will have no less meaning. The race for the playoff autos and the off chance of an at-large means every week is entertaining and intense

It’s basketball that could be hurt with respect to a new stratification that previously didn’t exist.
 

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Claims she’s a dances on the Big 12’s grave then posts an article about a separate conference’s media deal when the Big 12 had already secured a media deal 10 months earlier and where the Big 12 was hardly mentioned. What grave is she dancing on this article?

Did she get it wrong about them securing a deal? I guess, but they were all heading to the table to sign a deal until that morning when Ore/wash got up and left. A lot of people were wrong in that situation.


You caught me.
She’s an ESPN mouthpiece that couldn’t name all the Big 12 schools for most of her career. She’s not in the same stratosphere as the respected realignment journalists.
 
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She’s an ESPN mouth piece, which is a pertinent

I’m surprised you think this is overreaction. The Big 12 and ACC are what we used to think of as the American. We soon won’t be peers of p2, although hopefully we’ll have “access”.

And in football, for most in the Big 12 and ACC, the CFP expansion and access will mean it can be as good as ever. Games will have no less meaning. The race for the playoff autos and the off chance of an at-large means every week is entertaining and intense

It’s basketball that could be hurt with respect to a new stratification that previously didn’t exist.
He doesn’t understand what “bias” means. A bias article from Heather would be if she came and said “these two conferences SHOULD get this, these certain teams deserve that” based on her own opinion.

These two calling me a Big 10 fans do not understand it’s an article that simply stated “there is a meeting happening and these are the topics to be discussed” which is not bias or lack of credibility.
 
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It’s to ensure 4. The SEC has down years too. Many years there is a steep drop off from the top 2 teams. Texas being good is an added wrinkle and if that’s sustained then I agree with you but if it’s not then 4 is a good bet. Especially if they get moved to a 9 game schedule like is being floated for the big ten scheduling thing
I see the point that the SEC may not need to do this but if you read all of their comments, the SEC is thinking this way because they are going to start playing 9 conference games plus at least 1 non-conference game against the BigTen so there are going to be more losses across the board and they don’t want to take the risk that the committee leaves out a 9-3 team in favor of a 10-2 team from a different league.

Also I’m sure Oklahoma and Texas are being vocal behind closed doors that they know their path is now harder and they want to make sure their access is the same as it was before. I just looked it up out of curiosity and OU has won 10 or more games 19 times since 2000. They have to know that is going to be way harder with these schedules and they don’t want to get left out in favor of a 10 win team from their old conference.
 

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Slide off that soap box pal, I was at the gym, didn't feel like trying to copy paste her name.

And she's been a dance on the Big 12's grave person.

Here is one of her articles saying from one of her 'sources' saying the Pac 12 media deal was going to be on par with the Big 12 and ACC.


So no, she's not highly reliable.

Am I missing something here or don't they have to get an 8th team before they finalize anything?

I know they were at 6th and added Utah State, who is the 8th team?
 

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This is true. But it doesn’t need to be equitable. We just need to get enough revenue to maintain competitiveness.

Or we call it a day and form a playoff with everyone not in the P2 (or eventual Super League). Which is probably an inevitability anyway
As I said, anything close to equitable. Which is similar to saying to maintain competitiveness.

We won’t. Unless you view 1/2 as competitive.

I wouldn’t focus on revenue, but rather rules and regulation.

Cincinnati had as much CFP success as most P5 on $9 million in American while P5 was making $35 million or more.

That can still occur if we go back to having transfer rules and end free agency. We desperately need employment and CBAs
 

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Am I missing something here or don't they have to get an 8th team before they finalize anything?

I know they were at 6th and added Utah State, who is the 8th team?
The article was from last summer. Weeks before the Pac fell apart.
 

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Are we at the highest level? Cause it’s becoming more and more apparent that the Big12 is seen as closer to the MWC as the SEC by the media.

Once the SEC starts paying players tens of millions of dollars a year from that TV contract, it’ll only get worse.
Yes we are. We are in the top division, and unless the Big Ten and SEC break off and form their own, we will remain in the top division. It’s no different than the English Premier League. Sure, Sunderland, Sheffield United, Leeds, and teams like that won’t win it all, but they are indeed in the top division.

The difference there is we actually have a playoff spot allocated to us. And we’ve never been on the same playing field as the Big Ten or SEC brass. That hasn’t changed. Do I enjoy what’s happening? Hell no, I think the Big Ten and SEC suck ass. Those two leagues could burn to the ground and I would joyfully celebrate.