Bo Williams (a how to guide)

[Clonebydesign]

Ok with the nagging (limited snaps) injury that A-Rob has and our I guess you could say underwhelmed production from the backups when/ will we ever get to see Bo Williams take a snap in a live game? I know all (most) of the reasons have been, 1. He doesn’t like contact 2. He hasn’t picked up the playbook well 3. The great unknown. I guess I find it hard for a football player at this level to not like contact and have it not noticed until he's on scholarship. What does "not like contact" even really mean. Heck I would want to get hit hard of tackled either. And the comments about not knowing the playbook, come on I find it hard that someone in the huddle that "knows" the playbook could tell him "Bo you go to the left guard tackle hole". There is no way he needs that kind of help, but I felt I'd give it as an example. I'm finding it hard to believe a kid with as much potential and high rankings coming out of high school can’t sniff the field here. I guess maybe well never know what #3 is. Any thoughts?

 

[ISUFan22]

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/football/68082-bo.html

These threads are just an insult to the coaching staff. They have made it clear Bo is not ready, because he hasn't played a single down, while the other 3 backs have.

If he had any other name or background, no one would give a crap about him. But he cause he was a hyped player and was at Florida - he's gotta play!

Even programs like Florida miss on recruits and clearly Bo saw he wasn't going to play there for some reason, so he bolted. Perhaps he'll never play here - or maybe he will turn it on and produce. Everything points toward him having a minimal and maybe moderate impact at ISU.

Coaches know more than some guy that assigned some stars to this kid coming out of HS.

 

[Al_4_State]

It's been well documented here that he can't hang on to the ball in practice. Fumbles are worse than 3 yard gains.

 

[IcSyU]

Have you ever torn your knee apart and then tried to come back on it?

 

[clone2011]

someone in the huddle that "knows" the playbook could tell him "Bo you go to the left guard tackle hole".

I know you used an extreme example, but thought I'd provide a counterpoint. Not knowing the playbook can be very costly. We could have a stud WR, but if they don't know the playbook or their routes, they won't see the field. Just because he went to FL for a semester doesn't mean squat anymore.

Hard for someone in the huddle to tell him, when we don't use a huddle. Everyone else has their own signal to pick up out of the set, sure they see the RB block/run portion of it, but they should be more concerned about doing THEIR job, not their teammate's position. Doubt they want someone yelling it and the other team hearing it, and Arnaud/Tiller (usually the only person w/ the RB in the backfield) is too busy checking out the defensive set to worry about telling his RB, who should know by himself, where to be on a play.

 

[clones_jer]

you have to suck pretty hard in practice to not even put your hat on during a game. 4th quarter of Iowa? Army? Baylor? nothing ... really?

I'm starting to think reason #3 is that he slept with LEs wife.

 

[ISUFan22]

I think it would be a real swell idea to put a running back in there that didn't know the playbook, especially on a passing down. Let him miss on a block so AA can get his bell rung.

 

[IcSyU]

I think it would be a real swell idea to put a running back in there that didn't know the playbook, especially on a passing down. Let him miss on a block so AA can get his bell rung.

I'm sure Austen loves people flying to his blind side though!

 

[clones_jer]

I know you used an extreme example, but thought I'd provide a counterpoint. Not knowing the playbook can be very costly. We could have a stud WR, but if they don't know the playbook or their routes, they won't see the field. Just because he went to FL for a semester doesn't mean squat anymore.

Hard for someone in the huddle to tell him, when we don't use a huddle. Everyone else has their own signal to pick up out of the set, sure they see the RB block/run portion of it, but they should be more concerned about doing THEIR job, not their teammate's position. Doubt they want someone yelling it and the other team hearing it, and Arnaud/Tiller (usually the only person w/ the RB in the backfield) is too busy checking out the defensive set to worry about telling his RB, who should know by himself, where to be on a play.

In high school all but the slowest of the slow know what everybody else is doing every play ... the playbook thing is just a smokescreen.

 

[Knownothing]

Bo Williams is 1st string on the most recent "looks freakin awsome on the sidelines team". He just can't crack the starting 3 deep on the actual football team. He would be player of the decade on that team but Ron Preleau is the champion of guys who look freaking scary good on the sidelines.

 

[jsb]

Ok with the nagging (limited snaps) injury that A-Rob has and our I guess you could say underwhelmed production from the backups when/ will we ever get to see Bo Williams take a snap in a live game? I know all (most) of the reasons have been, 1. He doesn’t like contact 2. He hasn’t picked up the playbook well 3. The great unknown. I guess I find it hard for a football player at this level to not like contact and have it not noticed until he's on scholarship. What does "not like contact" even really mean. Heck I would want to get hit hard of tackled either. And the comments about not knowing the playbook, come on I find it hard that someone in the huddle that "knows" the playbook could tell him "Bo you go to the left guard tackle hole". There is no way he needs that kind of help, but I felt I'd give it as an example. I'm finding it hard to believe a kid with as much potential and high rankings coming out of high school can’t sniff the field here. I guess maybe well never know what #3 is. Any thoughts?

I think that Bo is not as good as the other guys right now, end of story. I also think that it is to our benefit to get Schwartz as many carries as possible since at any time he could be our #1 back. I'm guessing that is why we haven't seen Bo since Arob got hurt.

 

[ISUFan22]

In high school all but the slowest of the slow know what everybody else is doing every play ... the playbook thing is just a smokescreen.

This too.

It was well documented Seneca Wallace struggled to pickup the playbook...and he was a quarterback which is much more complex.

He did just fine, started right away.

 

[CyDude16]

I'm starting to think reason #3 is that he slept with LEs wife.

Are we talking about Shane Power or Bo Williams?:wideeyed:

 

[IcSyU]

Are we talking about Shane Powers or Bo Williams?:wideeyed:

It's Power :wink:

 

[clones_jer]

I think it would be a real swell idea to put a running back in there that didn't know the playbook, especially on a passing down. Let him miss on a block so AA can get his bell rung.

How much "playbook" does a 3rd string normally need? Their just running base crap in the 4th quarter of games that we would have expected to see him getting a carry or two.

Bo can't grasp 0-4-Dive, four times in a row while the clock runs out?

 

[swammi]

Ok with the nagging (limited snaps) injury that A-Rob has and our I guess you could say underwhelmed production from the backups when/ will we ever get to see Bo Williams take a snap in a live game? I know all (most) of the reasons have been, 1. He doesn’t like contact 2. He hasn’t picked up the playbook well 3. The great unknown. I guess I find it hard for a football player at this level to not like contact and have it not noticed until he's on scholarship. What does "not like contact" even really mean. Heck I would want to get hit hard of tackled either. And the comments about not knowing the playbook, come on I find it hard that someone in the huddle that "knows" the playbook could tell him "Bo you go to the left guard tackle hole". There is no way he needs that kind of help, but I felt I'd give it as an example. I'm finding it hard to believe a kid with as much potential and high rankings coming out of high school can’t sniff the field here. I guess maybe well never know what #3 is. Any thoughts?

We have professionals on the payroll for large $$ whose job it is to say who plays and he has to get their approval to play. We should over rule the coaches' judgement on who should play? Probably not. All the reasons you list here are speculation on the part of posters. You can't send a guy into the game and have someone explain his assignment on every play. First, there's no huddle, remember? Second, his assignment can change depending on what the defense is doing and depending on what our own line is doing in that situation - he has to be able to pick up and understand the line calls and the QB's audibles. And what is wrong with Schwatrz's production? He carries the football and secures it. He catches the football. He blocks effectively.

 

[ajk4st8]

Im going to be really down if Bo gets in this year. Being down to the 4th or 5th string running back would be a really bad sign.

We need talent on the field. Not a kid who only has 4 stars to his credit out of HS.

 

[ISUFan22]

How much "playbook" does a 3rd string normally need? Their just running base crap in the 4th quarter of games that we would have expected to see him getting a carry or two.

Bo can't grasp 0-4-Dive, four times in a row while the clock runs out?

A clear indication, or at least it should be, that playbook is not the issue here.

Someone quoted McCarney for saying something about Bo being the most highly touted ISU recruit that would amount to nothing. It's in one of the other threads, I'm paraphrasing from memory.

 

[ISU_phoria]

It's kind of funny how in some threads we're all praising the methods and results of the new coaching staff, but then, indirectly, questioning their decision not to play Bo.

We fans love to play both sides of the fence. I trust the coaching staff's goal is to put this team in the best position to win games and continually improve. If they feel that putting Bo on the field doesn't put this team in the best situation to succeed, I'll trust they know what they're doing....I don't need to know all the details.

 

[kansascy]

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/football/68082-bo.html

These threads are just an insult to the coaching staff. They have made it clear Bo is not ready, because he hasn't played a single down, while the other 3 backs have.

Coaches know more than some guy that assigned some stars to this kid coming out of HS.

This post is an insult to some guy that assigned some stars to this kid coming out of HS