As bad as it looked, the defense actually did its job today

[IcSyU]

I'm not saying the offense isn't terrible because it is. The O-line is significantly underachieving, and WRs are terrible, and AA and A-Rob don't have a shot to be as successful as they should be because of that. Is AA a great quarterback? Not by any stretch of the imagination, but on offense, we have zero room for error. Then to make our offense even more fun, we decide we should hold about once a drive, normally if we get into the red zone, just for a little extra challenge.

 

[cygrads]

At the beginning of the season we all knew the offense had to score 30 points per game to get to a bowl game because we lost so much on defense and the defense was going to be very young. The defense is living up to its end (as bad as it is) - the offense is underperforming. Why is Herman trying to make AA a pocket passer - that is not his strength - roll outs with options to run. AA is not aacurate enough to work this offense.

 

[clonedude]

At the beginning of the season we all knew the offense had to score 30 points per game to get to a bowl game because we lost so much on defense and the defense was going to be very young. The defense is living up to its end (as bad as it is) - the offense is underperforming. Why is Herman trying to make AA a pocket passer - that is not his strength - roll outs with options to run. AA is not aacurate enough to work this offense.

I couldn't possibly agree more! AA is not Peyton Manning. He is not a pocket passer. He shouldn't be holding the ball more than a second, unless he's going deep with it. Get it out of AA's hands as fast as possible.

 

[Aclone]

As bad as it looked, the defense actually did its job today

No, it didn't. How in the world can you consider giving up 266 rushing yards as "doing it's job"????

It certainly didn't help that Bailey and Matt were absent, but the defense did NOT do it's job. That would have meant holding K-State's back to 88 yards, rather than 188.

There's a good chance that Wally Burnham would tell you the same.

 

[Aclone]

I'm not saying the offense isn't terrible because it is. The O-line is significantly underachieving, and WRs are terrible, and AA and A-Rob don't have a shot to be as successful as they should be because of that. Is AA a great quarterback? Not by any stretch of the imagination, but on offense, we have zero room for error. Then to make our offense even more fun, we decide we should hold about once a drive, normally if we get into the red zone, just for a little extra challenge.

Hold--or false starts. I did notice that one by Brayden on 3rd down and 2 was overcome.

 

[Cyclonepride]

I went and looked at the box scores of KSU's first 3 games now and here's what you get...

I looked at TOTAL OFFENSE...

KSU- 377 yds
UCLA- 313 yds

KSU- 493 yds
Missouri State- 447 yds

KSU- 366 yds
ISU- 293 yds

We actually held KSU to its lowest total offensive numbers yet this year. Plus, our defense scored 7 pts. We also held KSU to it's lowest point total yet this year as well. So as ugly as our defense looked, they still gave us a shot at winning the game. You can't ask a whole lot more than that from a defense that lost so many starters.

But what also sticks out big time is our offensive numbers compared to what UCLA and Missouri State put up on this bad KSU defense. We put up the least yds... and points too, especially when you consider our offense only accounted for 13 pts today.

So... when is someone going to be held accountable for the performance of this offense? It's Tom Herman's job... period. If you can't get it done with AA as your QB, then it's your job to find someone else that can. And if AA isn't suited for this offense, then why are we running it? Why do something that you don't have the right players for?

Going into that last drive, Arnaud had 93 yds passing. Seriously.... 93 yds. And that is in Tom Herman's "high powered, no huddle, 100% shotgun" offense. Are you all as impressed as me?

We threw one WR swing pass against Iowa, and we scored a TD. We threw 3 today I think, all to probably our slowest WR (which is another issue), and they all gained nearly 10 yds. We never once went deep on Iowa, but did it twice today. The first time, we got a 15 yd PI penalty on KSU. The second time, ARob beat his man by about 10 yds and AA couldn't hit him. Other than that... the same old crap plays all day long.

Now... back to those succesful WR swing pass plays... we threw them all to Jake Williams. No offense to Jake, he's a great possession guy, but he'd be the first one to admit he's not the fastest or shiftiest WR on the team. We don't throw it to Darks, or Money, or Shontrelle for that matter. We did throw one to Shontrellle in the NIU game and he gained 11 yds on it. But hey... lets don't go back to that one again! Plus, these throws are just too easy for AA to make... so why not make him stand in the pocket and look downfield for something much more difficult?

I'm sorry... I don't understand this offense at all! Nothing about it makes sense. Like someone else mentioned... what is our offensive identity? Are we fast paced? No... we are no huddle, but not fast paced. Sometimes we are, sometimes not. But since nobody really knows... we get all kinds of false start penalties.

Are we a spread attack? No... not really. We've given up on the WR/RB swing and screen passes which spread defenses out side to side... and we rarely throw really deep to spread teams out vertically.

Are we a power running team? Sometimes we are, but then when it's working, we usually abandon it.

Are we an option team? Again... sometimes.

We just are almost every kind of style you can think of... and so in the end we aren't very good at any of them. It's also why we look so confused all the time. It's why we have all kinds of stupid penalties. I just don't get it?

How are you proposing that Herman be held accountable? Should he be fired? Chastised publicly? I'm pretty sure that Coach Rhoads isn't patting him on the back and telling him everything looks great out there.

I agree that the Burnham is getting a lot more out of his talent and depth than Herman is, but I'm not ready to throw him under the bus just yet.

 

[kingcy]

Thomas is one hell of a back and KSU blocked very well for him.

 

[captain7cf]

I think the WRs look like they are underachieving but Austin as much as you love the kid can't get them the ball.. He has one way to throw the ball... GUN IT! no touch.. that is why he cant make the throws to ARob today.. He only completes passes where he can gun it..

I know everyone loves the back up QB but Tiller needs to start working in.. Maybe he don't practice the best but the kid maybe a gamer. I mean they kept him limited last year versus nebby but he got the job done.. He reads the run better and is quick to the hole.. Some people can be the best player in practice but cant get it done on game day...

 

[Wesley]

I think the WRs look like they are underachieving but Austin as much as you love the kid can't get them the ball.. He has one way to throw the ball... GUN IT! no touch.. that is why he cant make the throws to ARob today.. He only completes passes where he can gun it..

I know everyone loves the back up QB but Tiller needs to start working in.. Maybe he don't practice the best but the kid maybe a gamer. I mean they kept him limited last year versus nebby but he got the job done.. He reads the run better and is quick to the hole.. Some people can be the best player in practice but cant get it done on game day...

He may have good field prescence.

 

[wright4cy]

The defense did look better I felt today ! I felt like they made some good strides today and a touch down , which is always good! Still need some things but I was really excited to see they are growing with each game~

 

[BigDogCyclone]

Let's keep in mind that it takes time to build a program. Too many of us want the wins NOW and loose perspective. CPR certainly spoiled us by his great start last year, however if we look at our interstate counterparts it was three years before they made a bowl. A lesson we could take from them is longevity wins out. Lay offer Herman. Give them some time to develop their first recruiting class before we call for someone's head.

It does not look like we are in for a fun year, but it is still early. We can pile on now, or we can be support a team and coaching staff that has really made us proud in the last year an a half. Give them some slack and let's go and beat the Panthers.

They do show signs of promise....especially our young linebackers.

 

[cyatheart]

I can't put all the blame on the offense. They lack playmakers at the WR position. That forces us to grind out the clock with the running game.

Our defense also gives up such long scoring drives that they limit the number of total possessions in the game. I felt the better team (K-State) won today and I was impressed that we even had a chance to win or tie at the end of the game.

This is good point as well. The offense has so few chances, they have to score every time basically for us to win. There are a lot of problems, not just AA. The team just isnn't very good guys. It is that simple.

 

[cyatheart]

I think the WRs look like they are underachieving but Austin as much as you love the kid can't get them the ball.. He has one way to throw the ball... GUN IT! no touch.. that is why he cant make the throws to ARob today.. He only completes passes where he can gun it..

I know everyone loves the back up QB but Tiller needs to start working in.. Maybe he don't practice the best but the kid maybe a gamer. I mean they kept him limited last year versus nebby but he got the job done.. He reads the run better and is quick to the hole.. Some people can be the best player in practice but cant get it done on game day...

yeah, lets play all the guys that suck in practice because they might be "gamers"...great post...what the hell is a gamer...terrible post

 

[captain7cf]

i am not saying every position or person... I am saying sometimes players when they get that opportunity a flash bulb goes off if someone gets hurt or gets in the game etc see a whole different side of a player...

Tiller did get a victory at nebby and i think with no turnovers.. I am not saying start him either.. I am just saying maybe more opportunities

 

[Al_4_State]

Our defense is absolutely terrible. Not sure what game you were watching.

Hey guys. When #8 is in the Wildcat, he's probably running...

 

[CycloneErik]

Our defense is absolutely terrible. Not sure what game you were watching.

Hey guys. When #8 is in the Wildcat, he's probably running...

I don't know, what if he's showing off his drop-back ability for the next level? Oh wait, RB you say? Never mind.

Defense is learning, but we do need a more physical DL. (Now I salute myself as Captian Obvious for the last part.)

 

[synapticwave]

No, it didn't. How in the world can you consider giving up 266 rushing yards as "doing it's job"????

It certainly didn't help that Bailey and Matt were absent, but the defense did NOT do it's job. That would have meant holding K-State's back to 88 yards, rather than 188.

There's a good chance that Wally Burnham would tell you the same.

I think the defense did it's job. I could care less how many yards the D gives up or how high of a completion percentage the opposing QB has, or if the opposing offense has 100% 3rd downs or any other stat.

At the end of the day, the D gave up 27 and accounted for scoring 7. Giving up a scoring difference of 20 points in a conference game is doing their job. Period. That's what we ask them to do, don't let the opponent score and they did that.

The average points per game for Big 12 teams over the last 2 years is about 28, we should ask our D to hold opponents to under 28 and we should ask our offense to score more than 28, if we do that, we win more than we lose. The D did their job, the O did not.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

Our defense is absolutely terrible. Not sure what game you were watching.

Hey guys. When #8 is in the Wildcat, he's probably running...

LBs are good, so is the secondary, but it has to be since the Walden days that we had this bad of Dline, there were plays the KSU tackles had the DEs 10 yards down the field.

 

[Wesley]

Let's keep in mind that it takes time to build a program. Too many of us want the wins NOW and loose perspective. CPR certainly spoiled us by his great start last year, however if we look at our interstate counterparts it was three years before they made a bowl. A lesson we could take from them is longevity wins out. Lay offer Herman. Give them some time to develop their first recruiting class before we call for someone's head.

It does not look like we are in for a fun year, but it is still early. We can pile on now, or we can be support a team and coaching staff that has really made us proud in the last year an a half. Give them some slack and let's go and beat the Panthers.

They do show signs of promise....especially our young linebackers.

With the new Big 12 alignments, there will be no good schedules from here on in. We need to get better period. We will need to hustle to get six wins and we probably will have to drop the Iowa series top make that happen. Just being realistic....

 

[IcSyU]

I think the defense did it's job. I could care less how many yards the D gives up or how high of a completion percentage the opposing QB has, or if the opposing offense has 100% 3rd downs or any other stat.

At the end of the day, the D gave up 27 and accounted for scoring 7. Giving up a scoring difference of 20 points in a conference game is doing their job. Period. That's what we ask them to do, don't let the opponent score and they did that.

The average points per game for Big 12 teams over the last 2 years is about 28, we should ask our D to hold opponents to under 28 and we should ask our offense to score more than 28, if we do that, we win more than we lose. The D did their job, the O did not.

The D did not do their job. When you constantly get it run down your throat, you never give your offense a shot to establish any flow. The D was pathetic yesterday, no way around it.