Iowa State Patrolman Allowed to Resign after incident

[jdoggivjc]

No. Why should it be different for a government employee?

As a known Federal employee on this site, we're generally "discouraged" not to use personal email accounts on government computers (more like annually educated that it's against acceptable use policy). Not to mention, considering we use Federal websites for things like medical coverage, retirement accounts, etc, you don't exactly get to not use your government email for such things.

 

[Al_4_State]

If that biker was black he'd probably be dead.

While there's no doubt that police encounters are far more deadly for black guys, it was impossible to tell the biker's race due to helmet. Not a factor here.

EDIT: Can someone point out what I'm missing here? How the hell could he tell it was a white guy riding the bike?

 

[wxman1]

Here is the story.

https://www.kcrg.com/content/news/V...ble-force-during-traffic-stop--512444331.html

 

[Urbandale2013]

FOIA requests should absolutely be treated for maximum transparency. That doesn’t mean that everything should be released. Law enforcement agencies abuse their discretion but that doesn’t mean that every little thing should be released to the public.

 

[84 grad]

Agreed, they know how hard the job is prior to anything happening with conflict as well. That's what the training is for.

The problem most people don't realize is the first thing that gets cut from a law enforcement budget is training. We like to think that cops train a lot but in reality most only qualify with their handgun twice a year and do a couple days of annual classes like CPR. I know from experience of 27 years doing the work.

 

[alarson]

The problem most people don't realize is the first thing that gets cut from a law enforcement budget is training. We like to think that cops train a lot but in reality most only qualify with their handgun twice a year and do a couple days of annual classes like CPR. I know from experience of 27 years doing the work.

It seems to me that the problem isnt the amount of training time, but the kind of training they appear to be getting. That and a culture that discourages doing anything about those who do cross the line.

 

[Dingus]

If you think you need to draw a weapon on a citizen, what the hell are you doing approaching them in such a reckless manner?! You stay in a protected position and issue verbal commands. Police training/application of situational deescalation is atrociously poor as far as I can tell. That and the number of police that can't handle themselves with a drop of adrenaline in their bloodstream.

^^^This^^^ The officers actions pretty clearly tell you he saw the biker as absolutely no threat.

 

[nocsious3]

^^^This^^^ The officers actions pretty clearly tell you he saw the biker as absolutely no threat.

That's my take as well.

 

[CyDude16]

Because absolutes are stupid? So a state employee emails their healthcare provider or insurance company about a health condition and because they work for the government you deserve to read that email? There can be common sense solutions.

Jfc lol

 

[84 grad]

It seems to me that the problem isnt the amount of training time, but the kind of training they appear to be getting. That and a culture that discourages doing anything about those who do cross the line.

I'm not defending the action of the officer in the video. What I'm trying to explain is that when I first got into law enforcement we did a lot of hands on sinario based training. The last 5 to 10 years the training budget was so thin that we did class work only. That didn't allow for proper training in my opinion.

 

[ripvdub]

You can train all them all you want, but an ******* will always be an *******. You let anyone get away with stuff like this, cop or anyone else, they will keep doing it until it gets worse and worse.

 

[Stormin]

Gun drawn, not the extra shove. But that happens in almost every video that comes out. I guess there are a heck of a lot worse abuses. I would certainly dock his file but this wasn't that bad. Just ask yourself what would have happened if he had shot the guy? Not much else except we probably wouldn't have seen that video.

That policeman needs to be fired. He owes damages to the person for damage to motorcycle. Punitive damages also. The conduct of the officer was totally out of line. The manner in which he rushed and assaulted a non-threatening person with his gun drawn and then knocking over the bike as he tackled him. Guys like that prick are what give good policemen a bad name. Throw his ass in jail.

Durant needs to Fire the POS. He is a potential financial liability to his history or misconduct. Potential lawsuits.

 

[chuckd4735]

FOIA requests should absolutely be treated for maximum transparency. That doesn’t mean that everything should be released. Law enforcement agencies abuse their discretion but that doesn’t mean that every little thing should be released to the public.

And everything does not need to be released. Every governmental organization has every right to go through items in a FOIA request and redact items that are a personnel record or anything involving medical.b

 

[harimad]

I am one of those people, as well, but what did this guy do to deserve the consequences except throw his hands up in the air?

Obviously it was because he didn’t also wave them like he just don’t care.

 

[Stewo]

What I'd like to know is, where was Mr. Patrolman's hat?

 

[Cyclonepride]

Because absolutes are stupid? So a state employee emails their healthcare provider or insurance company about a health condition and because they work for the government you deserve to read that email? There can be common sense solutions.

Common sense solution is yes, all of your communications are a matter of public record, so if you don't want it being available to others do not conduct private business on a government account.

 

[Al_4_State]

So I'm as critical as anyone about how cops are way more likely to use lethal force on black men, but how did the cop have any clue to the guy's race here? He's wearing a helmet and gloves. There was no way for the cop to assess ethnicity.

 

[SpokaneCY]

That may be the case but this guy was on the force for 30 years. He would have gotten all that training before the last 5-10 years and still chose to draw his weapon and bull rush somebody.

Maybe all his earlier training was to do exactly what he did? Maybe he relied on all his training that is outdated?

 

[Stewo]

So I'm as critical as anyone about how cops are way more likely to use lethal force on black men, but how did the cop have any clue to the guy's race here? He's wearing a helmet and gloves. There was no way for the cop to assess ethnicity.

There's actually a pretty solid shot in the video right before officer hero push/tackles the guy where you can see his face is directly in the lights. To me, he looks like a white guy.

 

[SpokaneCY]

There's actually a pretty solid shot in the video right before officer hero push/tackles the guy where you can see his face is directly in the lights. To me, he looks like a white guy.

Relevant how in this case? Are you trying to make it racial now for some reason?