ACC is not an option for them today. They don’t need to add an ACC team today.
They don’t have to add anyone.
The Big 12 AD meeting Thursday night
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They don’t have to add anyone.
That is what I still think is more likely is a new league that is all on the same page. If the BIG just sticks at 14 while everyone else moves up to 16 they are going to be finding their schools looking to leave. Inaction will lead to failure.
Well they actually are in a better position, because they are a top 5 Bball program and have the KC MEDIA! (not TV!) market.
I think its a lot more likely we consolidate with left over PAC schools that are not poached by the B1G. If the B1G has lost UT & OU I really think the B1G is going to try and get the 4-6 best brands out west and build upon the old Rose Bowl rivalries. This also gives them the best shot at ND at some point, it may.
USC & Oregon have been vocal about not being happy with the PAC and its situation. I know UT & OU make more but if those two couldn't make enough in the Big 12, the current PAC 12 will not invite 4 teams that don't help their revenue. That doesn't even address the snobbery aspect of the PAC 12 schools. The only way that happens is ESPN directed them to so that they can move OU & UT in 2023 but FOX has half the content and why would FOX want to move those 4 Big 12 teams when they wouldn't renegotiate the Big 12 with UT & OU?
So I think its more likely the Big 12 and PAC 12 left overs form a league together. I'm not sure how much better adding ASU, AZ & Utah is than BYU, Cincy & UH. Hopefully, the league gets at least one decent contract going forward. Does the B1G use Colorado as a bridge to 5 teams out west or is Colorado left behind also?
Some very good points to ponder in this thread. I wish most of us could give opinion without discounting others' ideas. None of us know what is going on behind closed doors as much as you think you do. MOST people thought/think it's inevitable that CMC was gone after the first year of success like Herby thought. Some things don't make sense.
What we should all be able to agree on is that the SEC is making the move that makes the most sense to making money... FOR NOW. It seems that they have an idea of breaking away from NCAA now that the paying athletes thing is not under the table. Might as well add the two largest money-makers. That would put the SEC at 16. But are they working on booting Missouri, Vanderbilt, Arkansas, South Carolina, etc and replacing with Michigan, OSU, PSU, Clemson, Notre Dame, etc. Who knows.
It just feels at the end of the day we are seeing the end of college football as we loved it. Personally I just want to get to the end so I can move on with life. Let the greed play out and I feel will kill the golden goose as another poster said earlier.
What we should all be able to agree on is that the SEC is making the move that makes the most sense to making money... FOR NOW. It seems that they have an idea of breaking away from NCAA now that the paying athletes thing is not under the table. Might as well add the two largest money-makers. That would put the SEC at 16. But are they working on booting Missouri, Vanderbilt, Arkansas, South Carolina, etc and replacing with Michigan, OSU, PSU, Clemson, Notre Dame, etc. Who knows.
It just feels at the end of the day we are seeing the end of college football as we loved it. Personally I just want to get to the end so I can move on with life. Let the greed play out and I feel will kill the golden goose as another poster said earlier.
You are correct. What recruit wants a million dollars to beat Iowa State? But to play against Alabama, Georgia , Florida.......you know the "pros"! The media darlings. All of this was put in motion long ago anticipating this Ft up NIL ruling. And those of us fearing this ruling would somehow ruin college football as we know it were labeled "old"....."out of touch"...."morons". Well I'd rather be an old, out of touch moron than some young, in the know useful idiot.
So congrats guys.............Brock is going to get his $8 from that t-shirt some kid bought. Iowa State may never again get a chance to play anyone worth a darn let alone for the whole ball of wax thanks to the work CMC and staff have put in, but what the heck right.........it's for the players! POWER TO THE PLAYERS!!!! Because once you familiarize yourself with the bondage of being a student athlete on full ride scholarship to an institute of higher learning........you prepare yourself to wear those shackles, right?
"FREE THE PLAYERS"
I love the people using this opportunity to tee off on fellow fans who don't hold the same opinion of NIL as them when:
1. NIL did not cause this
2. Nobody's opinion on this board had any influence on the highest court in the land determining the NCAA was violating federal antitrust laws
By all means, don't let those two facts get in the way of you grinding your axe and screaming at people stuck in the same boat with you.
If SEC schools will be getting $80 million each with OU and Bevo, they will have $10 million a year to spend on player "educational assistance grants" averaging $120,000 per scholarship, and still be drawing more per school than any Big 10 team is getting now. Ohio State, Michigan, and PSU will be forced to follow suit, or their players will go to Vandy instead and be perfectly rational for doing so.
It's ******* happening. The fallout is going to be immense.
It's ******* happening. The fallout is going to be immense.
All these years when I would see something like Michigan/Maryland football up on the TV schedule and have pretty much zero interest and now we're going to see all sorts of this type of matchup.
What two schools are available that approach the level of UT and OU? The ACC schools are contract locked for 15 more years that includes ND. NO SEC team is going to leave that conference when they are about to get wealthy beyond their wildest imagination. So that leaves the Pac 12 schools, if the Big 10 can nab 2 to 4 for them its would be a great coup, but I just cannot see it happening.
That leaves KU and ISU, or do nothing and watch those schools end up in the Pac 12 and ACC, while the SEC goings forward and dominates the football landscape for years to come.
As I mentioned in another thread, while this all sucks I suppose if it has to happen I'm glad it happened when we are as nationally relevant as we've ever been. We can't change our geography. We can't change our viewership. But at this moment we have the most competitive product on the field we've had ever, as well as our most competent AD ever, so if this has to happen it may as well be now.
I agree with you but I think they only thing that could force the b1g's hand is if these 16-20 team leagues set up some kind of a pod system that allows them to hold 2 rounds of conference championship games. When the CCGs first came around, there was a 12 team minimum, a similar minimum to add pods and a semifinal round is the only reason the b1g would probably expand. That money might be too much to pass up. That's the only way I see the b1g having any pressure at all to expand, otherwise, they get to be choosy and only add teams they know will bring value.
Nah you’ll see Iowa state vs MD in some bastardized version of the NCAA while the top 40 programs bang on each other in their new league with lots of $$$
That would be interesting to see how they pick the top 40 teams.
Is that just chosen by TV ratings?
Nebraska is in no way a Top 40 football program currently, but do the efforts to keep them relevant by viewers by ESPN etc. pay off?
If you look at attendence in years past ISU is right behind EIU in attendence in the last full year of 2019, we are in the top 30 in 2018 and even as far back as 2015 we averaged over 56K a game.
Before that the numbers drop before we had expanded the seating capacity of the stadium.
The idea that size of the footprint and how many people a state has is outdated and dying, schools like Rutgers and Maryland which were great schools under the old formula now become drags on the rest of the conference because few care about attending their games and watching them at all.
Its now about butts in the seats and online views from streaming, both which ISU has.
NCAA Football Attendance | NCAA.org - The Official Site of the NCAA
I mean damn, how can you talk about conference unity when you leave one school completely in the dark? But you know what TAM has to just bend over and take it. That speaks to how low "college" sports has got.
IMO now that the OU/Texas move is out. The next moves are the raiding of the ACC whose TV Network is financed by Disney.
Dabo Sweeney hinted as much in the ESPN article that mainly discussed reducing the number of regular season games if there is a 12 team playoff. At the end Dabo mentions big changes coming to college football.
The ACC TV contract is owned by ESPN, the SEC contract that starts in a couple of years is owned by ESPN. Disney owns ESPN, so why would Disney allow ESPN to hurt the ACC by taking schools from that conference?
