Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

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CycloneErik

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Our town has 10 restaurants only 1 is opening up some tables. Everyone else is take out, some curbside handed to you others are walk in and pick it up. I will not be doing any inside dining for the foreseeable future.

I haven't heard of anyone else in Ames trying this yet, and I didn't notice any signage to that effect during my in-car non-contact errand (of picking up masks).
 

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For anybody in one of the 77 counties - are restaurants actually opening up and getting customers today?

I work at a restaurant in Ames. We opened up today and I was there for the first 3 hours we were open. We had 7 tables in those 3 hours.
 

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This is short sighted IMO. In an effort to minimize the impact you have to consider the situation as a whole. For example people keep pointing to New Zealand as a great response. Yeah they’ve killed it there but now they are extremely at risk for a second wave unless they stay isolated as a country until there is a vaccine. The optimal solution outside of a vaccine or treatment coming out is to plateau a bit below your resources. That allows you to treat everyone with the best possible care and limits any potential economic harm.

I think this is very incorrect.

What you said is the 'optimal' approach if the virus is already established widely in your country. Then you are stuck with what you've got and have to try to keep it below resource capacity.

But if you can, the NZ or SK approach is much better. Testing and contact tracing can limit the virus and then once you are on top of it - you keep at testing and contact tracing. You can keep it down that way - especially if you're an island and can easily test anyone coming into your country.
 

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I think this is very incorrect.

What you said is the 'optimal' approach if the virus is already established widely in your country. Then you are stuck with what you've got and have to try to keep it below resource capacity.

But if you can, the NZ or SK approach is much better. Testing and contact tracing can limit the virus and then once you are on top of it - you keep at testing and contact tracing. You can keep it down that way - especially if you're an island and can easily test anyone coming into your country.
Well yeah I mean keep it as low as possible if you can while running your economy. I meant it from the perspective of shutdowns. For example NZ is heavy tourist industry. If they can’t run their economy then that’s a problem. If you can act relatively normal and keep it lower through contract tracing then absolutely do that.
 

GrappleCy

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This is short sighted IMO. In an effort to minimize the impact you have to consider the situation as a whole. For example people keep pointing to New Zealand as a great response. Yeah they’ve killed it there but now they are extremely at risk for a second wave unless they stay isolated as a country until there is a vaccine. The optimal solution outside of a vaccine or treatment coming out is to plateau a bit below your resources. That allows you to treat everyone with the best possible care and limits any potential economic harm.

Except for, you know, all the dead people. Staying under the max hospital beds is better than not staying under the max hospital beds but eradicating it is way better than just having it burn slowly through the whole population.
 

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It's supposedly a success story in ignoring corona

It IS a success story in ignoring COVID.

But it’s completely inapplicable to the United States because their healthy care system has much more capacity per capita than ours, and they have universal health care.

Basically, they’re capable of letting everyone get sick at once without overwhelming their system. We are not,
 

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Stay safe bud

I'm trying. Going from doing nothing for a month plus to back to back days of work is kicking my ***. My knee is probably worse off than it was prior to the shutdown and now I'm having lower back issues.
 

Clonefan32

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For anybody in one of the 77 counties - are restaurants actually opening up and getting customers today?

I'm in Warren and I'd say over 1/2 have stayed carry out. Drove by one that is opened over lunch and it looked maybe 1/4th full. A few people on the patio.
 

ClonesTwenty1

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I'm trying. Going from doing nothing for a month plus to back to back days of work is kicking my ***. My knee is probably worse off than it was prior to the shutdown and now I'm having lower back issues.
My girlfriend works for the postal service and she just recently got off a 14 day quarantine and basically said the same thing. Her knee is hurting worse now than before doing nothing for 14 days.
 

ArgentCy

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And a fabulous endorsement of European-style socialized medicine!

Hey, you guys should love their response....Unfortunately I think they just aren't nearly as socialized as you would like us to believe. Who knew they would be the least heavy handed?
 

Urbandale2013

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Except for, you know, all the dead people. Staying under the max hospital beds is better than not staying under the max hospital beds but eradicating it is way better than just having it burn slowly through the whole population.

You have this idea that we can totally kill the disease when we can’t without a vaccine or herd immunity. Until we get a vaccine there is no difference in the total amount of people that get it and then die
 

Rabbuk

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You have this idea that we can totally kill the disease when we can’t without a vaccine or herd immunity. Until we get a vaccine there is no difference in the total amount of people that get it and then die
There isn't even concrete evidence that herd immunity will work if people are susceptible to reinfection
 
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