Jerry Kill blasts PJ Fleck

[STATE12]

Rowing a douche canoe.

Rowing an ELITE douche canoe

While eating difficult conversations for breakfast...

 

[Clonefan32]

Their fans couldn't care less.

We've outdrawn Minnesota for years. There are more people in the Minneapolis metro than the state of Iowa. We share this state with another P5 school that has more fans than we do. They have the whole state to themselves. And they still can't get 50,000 people in there unless they're playing Iowa or Wisconsin, and there are 20,000 visiting fans.

Their stadium is smaller than the enrollment of their main campus. Let that sink in for a second. They might be the worst P5 fanbase. Most of the other pathetic attendance schools are tiny private schools like Baylor, TCU, Duke, BC, Vandy, etc.

My daughter goes to a hospital that is near the stadium and it really is a cool setup. Nice area, nice stadium. Too bad they don't draw more.

 

[jbindm]

Not good PR for Fleck but Kill comes off a bit whiney too. Not a good look for either of them.

That's what I thought, too. He wasn't wrong with what he was saying about Fleck, but Kill comes off as bitter about how UM handled the Tracy Claeys deal. I get backing your guys and all, but there's also something to be said for taking the high road.

 

[Al_4_State]

My daughter goes to a hospital that is near the stadium and it really is a cool setup. Nice area, nice stadium. Too bad they don't draw more.

My brother lives in St Paul and went there for grad school. We went to the home opener when they played TCU (2015, I think) and it was actually full. Really cool set up and stadium. Not a lot of tailgating, but lots of potential for a fun game day.

 

[JP4CY]

My brother lives in St Paul and went there for grad school. We went to the home opener when they played TCU (2015, I think) and it was actually full. Really cool set up and stadium. Not a lot of tailgating, but lots of potential for a fun game day.

I love that the train drops you off right in front.

 

[jbindm]

Their fans couldn't care less.

We've outdrawn Minnesota for years. There are more people in the Minneapolis metro than the state of Iowa. We share this state with another P5 school that has more fans than we do. They have the whole state to themselves. And they still can't get 50,000 people in there unless they're playing Iowa or Wisconsin, and there are 20,000 visiting fans.

Their stadium is smaller than the enrollment of their main campus. Let that sink in for a second. They might be the worst P5 fanbase. Most of the other pathetic attendance schools are tiny private schools like Baylor, TCU, Duke, BC, Vandy, etc.

To be fair, they're contending against a lot of pro sports franchises that none of the Iowa schools have to deal with. Look at what the Thunder did to attendance at OU and OSU basketball games. Stillwater and Norman used to be pretty intimidating places to go play. They're both ghost towns now.

 

[stateofmind]

What did the tweet say?

 

[Pat]

What did the tweet say?

https://deadspin.com/former-minnesota-coach-jerry-kill-goes-on-the-radio-to-1832751677

Deadspin article covers everything.

 

[Al_4_State]

To be fair, they're contending against a lot of pro sports franchises that none of the Iowa schools have to deal with. Look at what the Thunder did to attendance at OU and OSU basketball games. Stillwater and Norman used to be pretty intimidating places to go play. They're both ghost towns now.

I think the Oklahoma schools could see basketball attendance pick back up if either sustains success, but that's not a bad comparison.

However, just look at Wisconsin. The Badgers sell out every game. The Packers sell out every game. Or the Michigan schools. Or Ohio State. Or Texas schools. Or Tennessee. There are tons of places that have great college and pro attendance for football.

Pro sports definitely effect the Gophers, but given the amount of people in the area, the size of the school, and the lack of collegiate competition, their attendance is still pathetic.

 

[cyhiphopp]

I think the Oklahoma schools could see basketball attendance pick back up if either sustains success, but that's not a bad comparison.

However, just look at Wisconsin. The Badgers sell out every game. The Packers sell out every game. Or the Michigan schools. Or Ohio State. Or Texas schools. Or Tennessee. There are tons of places that have great college and pro attendance for football.

Pro sports definitely effect the Gophers, but given the amount of people in the area, the size of the school, and the lack of collegiate competition, their attendance is still pathetic.

One thing that I think helps those other schools is that the major pro sports are not in the same exact city as the university.

Twin Cities are definitely more pro focused. Add in their love of college hockey and you have a recipe for bad football and basketball attendance.

 

[jbindm]

One thing that I think helps those other schools is that the major pro sports are not in the same exact city as the university.

Twin Cities are definitely more pro focused. Add in their love of college hockey and you have a recipe for bad football and basketball attendance.

Beat me to it by about ten seconds.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

@CyTwins can you come back and tell us late-comers what the tweet said, pretty please???

 

[cyhiphopp]

One thing that I think helps those other schools is that the major pro sports are not in the same exact city as the university.

Twin Cities are definitely more pro focused. Add in their love of college hockey and you have a recipe for bad football and basketball attendance.

That said, it's definitely possible for Minnesota's FB and BB attendance to improve if they put a good product out there. There are plenty of football fans there who can't afford Vikings tickets.

I don't think Minnesota has done a great job selling their programs and not having a lot of success has affected that as well.

 

[CyTwins]

@CyTwins can you come back and tell us late-comers what the tweet said, pretty please???

I didn't see it unfortunately

 

[Al_4_State]

One thing that I think helps those other schools is that the major pro sports are not in the same exact city as the university.

Twin Cities are definitely more pro focused. Add in their love of college hockey and you have a recipe for bad football and basketball attendance.

That's still no excuse. Look at it this way:

In Iowa, if Iowa and Iowa State both sell out home games on the same day (which frequently happens), 130,000 out of 3.2 million people have attended a football game on the same day.

In Minneapolis, if both the Gophers and Vikings were to sell out in the same weekend that would be 116,000 out of 3.6 million people have attended a football game over two days - which would make it logistically quite easy for the same person to attend both events - something which is impossible in the Iowa scenario.

That doesn't account for anyone in the rest of the state - just the metro area.

 

[jbindm]

That's still no excuse. Look at it this way:

In Iowa, if Iowa and Iowa State both sell out home games on the same day (which frequently happens), 130,000 out of 3.2 million people have attended a football game on the same day.

In Minneapolis, if both the Gophers and Vikings were to sell out in the same weekend that would be 116,000 out of 3.6 million people have attended a football game over two days - which would make it logistically quite easy for the same person to attend both events - something which is impossible in the Iowa scenario.

That doesn't account for anyone in the rest of the state - just the metro area.

Yeah, but in that example the same fan doesn't go to the Iowa and ISU game. A sports fan's dollar is only going to go so far. I think most sports fans in the Twin Cities are choosing to spend theirs on the pro teams.

 

[JP4CY]

That's still no excuse. Look at it this way:

In Iowa, if Iowa and Iowa State both sell out home games on the same day (which frequently happens), 130,000 out of 3.2 million people have attended a football game on the same day.

In Minneapolis, if both the Gophers and Vikings were to sell out in the same weekend that would be 116,000 out of 3.6 million people have attended a football game over two days - which would make it logistically quite easy for the same person to attend both events - something which is impossible in the Iowa scenario.

That doesn't account for anyone in the rest of the state - just the metro area.

The last time I was at TCF, they sold beer there. Is that still the case?
If it is, that's an advantage too.

 

[cyhiphopp]

That's still no excuse. Look at it this way:

In Iowa, if Iowa and Iowa State both sell out home games on the same day (which frequently happens), 130,000 out of 3.2 million people have attended a football game on the same day.

In Minneapolis, if both the Gophers and Vikings were to sell out in the same weekend that would be 116,000 out of 3.6 million people have attended a football game over two days - which would make it logistically quite easy for the same person to attend both events - something which is impossible in the Iowa scenario.

That doesn't account for anyone in the rest of the state - just the metro area.

I don't deny that Minnesota has done a bad job of getting people there and their attendance could be much better. But I also don't deny that there are a lot of other things to spend your sports money on in the Twin Cities.

 

[Cyched]

That's still no excuse. Look at it this way:

In Iowa, if Iowa and Iowa State both sell out home games on the same day (which frequently happens), 130,000 out of 3.2 million people have attended a football game on the same day.

In Minneapolis, if both the Gophers and Vikings were to sell out in the same weekend that would be 116,000 out of 3.6 million people have attended a football game over two days - which would make it logistically quite easy for the same person to attend both events - something which is impossible in the Iowa scenario.

That doesn't account for anyone in the rest of the state - just the metro area.

I still remember when the NYT came out with their football fanbase map - Wisconsin was the favorite in the Cities, while Iowa had southern MN locked down. Pretty sad, especially when one-school states like Wisconsin and Nebraska were solid red.

 

[Al_4_State]

I don't deny that Minnesota has done a bad job of getting people there and their attendance could be much better. But I also don't deny that there are a lot of other things to spend your sports money on in the Twin Cities.

There are plenty of things to do in Des Moines, Cedar Rapids, Iowa City, Ames, etc if you don't like football.

EDIT: You said sports dollars, which makes sense, but again, I'd direct you below

Yeah, but in that example the same fan doesn't go to the Iowa and ISU game. A sports fan's dollar is only going to go so far. I think most sports fans in the Twin Cities are choosing to spend theirs on the pro teams.

PRECISELY MY POINT. With more people to choose from in a closer radius, with lower capacity stadiums, and no date conflicts, they still can't fill the stadium. Only 66,000 people can attend a Vikings game in a given weekend. The focus on pro sports doesn't really explain the lack of attendance for the Gophers. Minnesotans just have made a collective decision to disregard college sports that is fairly unique to them.