UNI - Gary Rima
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Who would you say that UNI has a comparable resume to in a power 5 conference?
I agree Jake is a good coach but last year was probably his worst coaching performance of his career. He should have gotten that team to the tournament last year. For your sake, you have to be happy he went back to focusing on defense this year
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He's admitted that he overreacted to the rule changes last year and tried to be something he isn't. Going back to slow defensive games is the best recipe for success with the kids you can recruit to UNI.
Ohio State has managed a decent record with only 1-2 decent wins somehow. They're a ranked major conference team that UNI has a better resume than...but it's because Ohio State lacks quality wins. OSU's 6 losses are comperable quality to VCU/Evanston, they simply play more quality teams.
I'd still put Ohio State as an example as a clear better seed than WSU who is 0-3 against their top 3 opponents.
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UNI's Strength of Schedule is a ridiculous 146. The only P5 teams in the top 25 RPI with an SOS over 50 are RPI #12 Utah (55), #23 Arkansas(78) and #25 Notre Dame (112)
I guess you could compare their resume to Notre Dame who is 22-4 against a 112 SOS, but they actually have some big wins (UNC, Duke, MSU) but played some extreme patsies in the non-con.
In other words it's REALLY hard, maybe impossible, to get a 146 SOS in a P5 conference.
In your estimation... you value UNI's 5 extra wins against 0 losses in beating teams ranked 150th or worse in the RPI as carrying more weight then Ohio State's 5 losses against teams ranked 37th or better in the RPI? (Keeping in mind that Ohio State has played 5 more games against top 50 teams then UNI and UNI has played 5 more games against 150 or lower ranked teams then Ohio State)
There is no wrong answer here either.
Yeah he owned up to it, would have been nice to get some postseason experience with that team last year to have it for this season though. They will be a tough out for whoever they face in March
When I look at resume in terms of quality wins and quality of losses, Ohio State jumps out at me as a possible P5 pretender that has been ranked all year. Nobody is remotely in Wichita State's area of ranked teams that don't have an impressive resume at all in terms of lack of quality wins.
I'd put about 5-7 other ranked teams in UNI's ballpark in terms of resumes. You have to give them a little benefit of the doubt in terms of how many opportunities they've had. They're 2-1 win given the opportunity to play an impressive team...the biggest knock on UNI is that none of those 3 opportunities have been on the road. Which makes Rima's comments even more hilarious. ISU has more impressive road wins than UNI but couldn't come close to sweeping KU and OU on the road. Our one point loss @Baylor is more impressive than losing close to VCU at a neutral site as well.
I just mean I think UNI's quality wins are on par with Ohio State's. Ohio State has been ranked all year without really doing much of anything. They somehow have a very manageable schedule for a Big Ten team, at least so far.
Not sure why I thought it was a road win. But you get what I mean. Losing at Baylor by one in the final seconds is almost exactly like losing @VCU in OT in terms of opponent strength. ISU fans think we royally screwed up by dropping that in Waco, in contrast UNI fans point to how quality VCU is. It's just the nature of schedules being so different. If ISU wants a great season we need to win @ the Baylors and VCUs of the world. UNI can have a great season losing those games because there are only a handful every year. We got two already @WVU and @Iowa, but we still need to get a few more true road wins against top 50 RPI teams to even come close to our goals.
Unless you are say... TCU.
TCU has an SOS of 166 currently. Their non-con SOS was #349 with a 13-0 non-con record. They have now played 10 Big XII conference games with a 1-9 record and their SOS has improved 183 spots. 8 of their 9 losses are to teams ranked 30th or higher in the RPI.
TCU will play 6 of their last 8 games against teams currently ranked in the top 30 of the RPI. TCU will end the season with a stronger SOS then UNI and that was after playing one of the easiest non-con schedules in the entire country.
I'm certain Texas Tech will have the #1 conference SOS in the nation by year's end. They're the only team in the nation who can say they play all good teams in conference play, home and away no less.
Going to be fun to see how this plays out come NCAA time. If WSU and UNI don't sprint toward sweet 16 at least I'll be disappointed in them falling short of expectations.
Our score was, percentage-wise, a greater margin of victory.
That might be true. But this year we beat Iowa and we still hear, "Well, we would beat you 8 times out of 10." It's like its impossible for some reason for our in-state P-5 school fans to admit we have a legitimately good team.
As a UNI fan, I have to agree with this. You all have pointed out lots of times here that we don't play as tough a schedule as you do. We know that - and we don't like it. We wish the MVC was stronger. We have a few teams that are REALLY struggling. I stinks, but not much we can do about it, but keep winning.
Fortunately, we'll be in the same post-season as the P-5 schools and we'll get a chance to demonstrate whether we're legit. We're looking forward to it. Any team that plays us, win or lose, will say afterwards, "We played really terrible basketball tonight."
How would we do against the Cyclones? hmmm... one thing that makes me nervous about a matchup with the Cyclones is that when I've watched you this year (probably half your games), it seems like a good percent of your 3-pointers come from 2-4 feet beyond the arc. Do you agree? It would be tough for us to extend our defense that far out and still stop everything we want to stop inside the arc.
If it makes you feel better, this is just how Iowa fans are. UNI fans could be part of the solution by stopping the dual fan thing.
Fred is 4-1 vs. Iowa, has a boatload more tournament success, blew them out in their own house this year...yet the minute they beat Maryland at home while ISU loses @ ranked OU, the Iowa boards blow up about how Iowa is better than ISU. That's an Iowa thing. Nothing to do with ISU.
Yes.
But, on the bright side, at least the intelligence/rationality quotient has increased exponentially in the last few pages.
UNI is an unknown quantity at 22-2 they haven't really beat any good teams and they have only managed to lose to 1 really bad team... They are virtually untested. Wichita State will most likely make a first round exit in the Dance this year. Based on the Shockers resume they don't deserve any better then maybe a 10 or 11 seed (if we are being really honest Wichita State won't have a resume worthy of an NCAA Tournament bid). Sure they are ranked but their resume is shockingly bad. I mean in their last 12 games they have played 7 games against teams ranked 204th or worse in the RPI.
Ours was, reality wise, a road game. Without our best player at that point of the season.
And just so we're clear, UNI is better than Iowa by a lot. They just aren't as good as ISU this year or a top 10 or 15 team. I think they are a top 25 team.
UNI this year will be what they do in the tourney. 3 games against the same exact team is all they have for evidence of how good they are, the entire rest of the schedule is just so bad. It is what it is.
I think UNI is pretty good, but until you actually play those top teams (and play them on the road) you really can't claim ****. And I don't care if teams won't play you in the non con and it's not fair. ISU has the same problem with the blue bloods. (Except ISU has to play a real schedule in conference added to the non con)
UNI could play ISU every year, they would just have to make some concessions like any mid major would have to. ISU does not owe them charity.
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