Rhoads' Contract
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Let's deal with benchmarks. Say we go 0-6 or 1-5. What then? Worry that badmouthing the coach might cost us recruits? This is year 6 people. This is when coaches are supposed to be hitting their stride. CPR did better with Chizik's recruits than his own. How does that support keeping the present course? How do you think Fred will do in year 6 at ISU?
I hope for the best, but deep down I know how this ends. Probably best that it happens sooner rather than later.
I hope for the best, but deep down I know how this ends. Probably best that it happens sooner rather than later.
"Support" the team with cheering and a positive attitude rather than negativity in advance.
Those high level donors must have amnesia. CPR's problem is that he had too much success too early. A Bowl game in the first year coming off a 2 win season was probably too much too soon for most ISU fans. We had an easy schedule that year. No longer the case.
If CPR does not produce in 2014 or 2015 then his days will likely be numbered. Until that would actually happen I would take a chill pill.
Maybe it would be really cool if CPR would have a breakout season in 2015 with 10 wins and then tell all the naysayers out there to go get screwed, that he has taken another job. Then you can see about rehiring your beloved DMAC.
CycloneErik
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Nobody wants to rehire DMAC. Maybe one guy, maybe, but that's not what people are looking for.
It's theoretically possible, when search time comes, for us to hire someone that hasn't coached here before.
It's theoretically possible, when search time comes, for us to hire someone that hasn't coached here before.
What about our alumni all over the nation and even all over the world? I try to make it down to games from the Twin Cities every year but it becomes harder and harder. I have let my season tickets go twice and may have to again. I am also a huge ISU BB fan but there is no way that I am going to make season BB tickets work with half of the games on weekdays. What about CyRocksMyPants*? Does his opinion not matter because he doesn't buy tickets despite living 4,000 miles away? Just because you are lucky enough to live in close proximity of Ames, doesn't mean those of us who aren't as lucky are bad fans.
*Yes, I know Pantsy's opinion doesn't matter for entirely different reasons. :wink:
People keep saying this like year 6 is supposed to be some magical year when the stars align. Every coach and every program has down cycles. Some may fall lower than others but none are immune.
From what I can tell, Rhoads winning a bowl game is about the equivalent of our basketball coach making the Sweet 16 (3 bowl wins to 4 Sweet 16s). Making a bowl is about the equivalent of making the NCAA tournament (12 vs 15).
So imagine if McDermott made the Sweet 16 his first year and made the NCAA tournament 3 of his first 4 years, I would assume JP would give him a contract extension. If Freddie has two down years, are we going to be calling for his head too?
So imagine if McDermott made the Sweet 16 his first year and made the NCAA tournament 3 of his first 4 years, I would assume JP would give him a contract extension. If Freddie has two down years, are we going to be calling for his head too?
Here's the problem though. We haven't "fallen". We aren't "rebuilding". Both those terms suggest we were somewhere elevated. We were "built".
We haven't finished with a winning regular season in 10 years!
In that time, think of the money spent. The facility improvements. Bergstrom first opened in 2004 I believe. The stadium enhancements, the renovations. The Hixson-Lied academic bldg. The Football office complex. Now the endzone has kicked off.
Forever, we've been told that we need these things to be more competitive. If anything, we're less.
Where's the payoff? When is enough, enough? How many chances do people (who are making millions) get? How many times can you push the finish line back? How often do you go to the well with the "we need xxxxx to take the next step".
6 years is a long time - 1 entire redshirt class, 2 4 year classes - to accept what looks to be another losing season and second consecutive beginning with a loss to a team from a division that is supposed to be "below" ours.
(FTR - I'm not advocating CPR be fired midseason at all. I'm going to see how the remaining 11 play out and how things look. But all the bickering and setting the seat on fire is entirely warranted at the current time)
I'd buy that if Fred got into his 3 NCAA tourneys on .500 records, or if over half the teams made the NCAA tourney.
CycloneErik
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On that sport's scale, if Fred starts winning 5-8 games a year, we should call for his head. That would be a pathetic record.
If Fred has a .346 record overall and a .384 conference over the course of 2 seasons, then I would assume we would need to start looking at what he is doing what is going wrong.
That percentage is awful.
2015 should be a decent season. Too many youngsters and too much attrition for 2014 to be a good one.
We have sucked for a century now. Giving CPR the 2015 season is not really a big deal.
Much better than the .208 percentage that Chizik had. And much better than the .250 percentage the 3 years before CPR got here. Fact is that CPR has the best winning percentage of any coach at ISU in the last 30 years.
So I guess we're just supposed to say "good enough" and keep watching bad football?
We'll see. My math is shaky, but I'm not entirely sure that's going to be the case come December.
Hope I'm wrong. This Sat will be a major factor in making me so.
Overall point being, we're more than a little bit in. I'd say we've had 4-5 marquee wins (which is sizable portion of the total. NU, UT, OSU, maybe iowa and i'll throw the Minn bowl win in there). All those were first 2-3 years.
The arrow is trending the wrong direction otherwise.
But you're right. 11 games left. I think finances dictate that 2015 will be a given for CPR. I'm not sure performance/results warrant it however. We'll see. If he pulls out a 4-5 win season with simply good football, I'll be onboard regardless of the contract handcuff.
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CycloneErik
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That changes in 4 games. Then he's in a dead heat with DMac. If this is a 9-10 loss season, CPR is just another guy that can't get the job done here.
Nice stat, but it won't hold up.
So you are calling for CPR to be fired if we have another 3 win season. Won't happen. He is going to get the 2015 season whether you like it or not.
