So you are admitting that complaining does accomplish something. The people voicing their opinion (complaining) lead to action (doers). Thank you for proving my point.
Rhoads' Contract
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So you are admitting that complaining does accomplish something. The people voicing their opinion (complaining) lead to action (doers). Thank you for proving my point.
Attacking people who complain doesn't "do anything" either, so why are you wasting your time?
The complainers do nothing........but complain. Complain away......while waiting for others to actually accomplish something. The Doers plan on doing nothing at this time. And if that time comes that us Doers decide to make a change, then we will do so. Has nothing to do with you complainers because all you do is complain anyway.
I'm not a complainer. Just calling out that complaining (voicing opinion) leads to actions.
So what is it you are going to do? Outside of letting the AD know that the fan base is concerned what power do fans have that do not negatively affect the program.
I along with my family are good sized donors. We have 12 football season tickets, 4 football parking passes, 6 basketball season tickets, 2 basketball parking passes, etc. Should I be a doer and stop supporting the program even through it will negatively affect it. Or as a donor do you voice your opinion knowing that the only "doer" is the coaching staff and JP.
In a situation like this I just want to know what a "doer" is and what action you plan on taking that makes you a "doer".
No, I didn't get them. 25% because of performance of the team, and 75% because of the 3 week old son I have at home. However, I got single game tickets for this weekend, and continue to purchase merchandise. And, I am an alumni. Do I make the cut to be ****** about team performance?
You are setting a record for the most pointless posts in one thread. So unless a fan can single handedly pay for a coaches buyout, they have no right to complain about his performance?
So you have to be a season ticket holder to have a vested interest in the success of our program?
To me, anyone that spends any amount of time or money supporting Iowa State is entitled to be ****** about this year. I haven't quite pulled the plug on my season tickets yet, but I can understand anyone who feels they have better **** to do then spend the time/money driving to Ames to watch what I saw Saturday.
Mac also never beat anyone good, especially on the road.
I love the people that want to return to the McCarney years because this is "Year 6" for Rhoads and we are still losing. But yeah, let's forget that McCarney went 2-10 (0-8) in Year 9 and 4-8 (1-7) in Year 12.
There's nothing anyone can do. There are a select few that might have the clout to sway an opinion, but I'm sure it's no one here. I think all that anyone is trying to say is it get's harder and harder to justify spending the time and money on coming to these games. Some of us are busy people, with kids and otherwise busy lives. Everyday life is about making decisions about how best to spend your time and money. I'd like to golf after work, but I know I have yard work I need to do. I'd like to jump on a plane for Hawaii tomorrow but I know I can't afford it. Deciding to go to Iowa State football games and/or continue to buy season tickets is no different. There is a point in time where you can justify the time and money cost of it, and there's times you can't. Things are trending towards not being able to justify it. Will JP lose sleep if I don't renew? Absolutely not. Will he lose sleep if there are 15,000 people who feel the same as me? Probably.
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Who are these people? I've noticed maybe a handful, and just one who happens to be rather vociferous with his McCarney knob-slobbering.
It's possible to dissatisfied with both CPR's and McCarney's results...
I agree but its been said several times in this thread alone. Plus I heard it at the game...something like "we should have never fired McCarney with these results".
I agree with you. I'm not happy about the last 14 games under Rhoads but I'm not going to call for him to be fired. Fans are fickle, I get that. But it gets old hearing the same things over and over..."Fire Messingham and things will be better", "we hired Mangino, he is the offensive savior", "Fire Rhoads and let Mangino take over!" (my favorite).
But what did Danny Mac do in years 6, 7 and 8 leading up to year 9? And he was fired after year 12, so.....
Not that I'm wanting the Mac years back, but there are difference scenarios at play.
I agree. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Firing CPR wouldn't put us in any better situation. I think we are spoiled by what Fred has been able to accomplish is 4 short years. First, there isn't the football-version of a Fred sitting out there waiting for a call from us. Second, a turnaround in football is much, much harder than basketball.
I agree but Rhoads has a much tougher road having to play every team in the Big 12 instead of Mac's rotating schedule. Also, Mac had a 50-58 record if you give him a pass for the first 3 years. Rhoads has a 27-36 record...not that far off. So "longing for the McCarney days" doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Continue to support the team and cheer for them and see what happens. Rather than complain about "What ifs", I will see how the season plays out this year and next.
Go ahead and voice your complaints to JP. Nothing will be done this year or next. That is the reality of it.
We allowed Dan McCarney 5 losing seasons where he never won more than 4 games before he had a breakout year in 2000 with a pretty easy schedule and had a 9 win season. In year 9 we suffered through a 2 Win season with ZERO Conference Wins and still allowed him to coach. Walden only had 1 winning season in his whole coaching tenure at ISU with a high of 6 wins and was only let go after a winless season.
So just accept the fact that nothing is going to be done in 2014 or 2015. Complaining about things does not help. It actually hurts recruiting.
Well there was a football version of Fred, but doddering, deluded Robert Parks turned him away because he was too young and inexperienced. Right at the time when college football was about to enter the TV era. And then again, when in between presidents and our lack of leaders and vision turned away a young Bill Snyder not even a decade later. We hired a bow-tie wearing tyrant who wanted to put neanderthallic athletics in its "proper place". More on that will take us down an entirely different path in this thread. Unfortunately, this very thread feels like painful evidence that we're still paying for such misjudgments today.
I'm don't care what you do. I really don't but if a guy who is a college graduate and can afford tickets decides not to don't expect me to put any effort in listening to your opinion. I don't care that you are an alum. Somebody that doesn't care enough to support the team by investing into it by purchasing tickets I'm not going to take seriously. You've got a million posts on CF so I know I won't stop you I just thought calling someone out for trying to bring perspective and was just tired of all the ******** while not even being a season ticket holder was bush league.
I'll also say this as a fellow father...you are flat out missing the best time in the next 18 years to go to games. Baby's don't have flag football games, soccer games, traveling softball tournaments. It only gets harder from here to get to games...that I'll promise you.
How does this constitute being a "doer"? I will be doing the exact same thing. This is staying status quo. I asked what does a "doer" do in this situation. Staying the same doesn't constitute being a "doer".
People that are questioning the direction of the program will also continue to support and cheer the team. I question what is happening right now but will still be at games, donating, etc. Does this mean I'm not a "doer"? As I stated in a different thread the group I sit with and tailgate with were people that donated at high levels through the dark years and helped keep things a float and donate at higher levels today. They are all questioning the direction of the program, are they not "doers" or are they just complainers?.
