Dahl's in trouble?

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I frankly don't know how the one in North Ames has stayed open this long. Place is almost always dead when I am in there, which honestly isn't often.

Maybe it is me and the 4 cases or so of Coors I get per week?

I also prefer Dahl's meat's better, but I grew up in Des Moines. Seems like Hy-Vee adds a touch of water to their Ground Beef so less meat same weight and LEANER which is important now I guess. I have heard that anything over 92% lean is just water added to make it leaner. Is this true
 
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So we are 161 replies in and not one is a regular Dahl's shopper (or they won't admit it). That tells the whole story there.

With regard to Hy-Vee pricing, it's more expensive than Wal-Mart. Some items but a few cents but some are a few bucks. If you know what to buy at each, it's the best of both pricing worlds (assuming you can stand stepping foot in a Walmart, which is tough).

Having recently moved to Oklahoma, I miss Hy-Vee.
 

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I'm a vendor, won't say which company. but I've been hearing this for the last 3years and it still hasn't happened yet. But from what I've here's its Ames, 2 Des Moines, and Johnston. Also have heard through very reliable company higher ups is that Price Chopper is interested in 2 of the locations.
 

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Newsflash!!! You can get the same grade meat at Hy-Vee as Fareway.


Newsflash #2!!! They get it from the same company


Kind of reminds me of speaker wire and Bose speakers.

It isn't the same. I know people that work at Hy Vee that buy their meat at Fairway because it is better.
 

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If Kroger expanded up there and made them into Dillon's I think they could give Hy-Vee a run for their money. However there will always be the home town and home state loyalty for Hy-Vee.
 

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If Kroger expanded up there and made them into Dillon's I think they could give Hy-Vee a run for their money. However there will always be the home town and home state loyalty for Hy-Vee.

Hy-Vee seems to hold its own in every market they are in. It would be hard to compete with them in their home market.
 

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Sad by this. Another thing from my childhood going away. Absolutely makes sense however. When they destroyed the 35th St Cafe a part of me died.
 

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Speaking of grocery stores has anyone else seen the new WalMart commercial going after HyVee directly?

That's the first time I've seen WalMart go at regional companies before in ads.

I'm sure Wal Mart may be the cheapest for groceries but I just can't bring myself to doing it. Plus I would much rather support a company like Fareway or even HyVee.
Walmart has been laying off even more people lately so the six walton kids can be more than $26B each.
 

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Worked there as an assistant within the last five years.

There are a lot of issues: of major concern is corporate management, which is a boys' club that lacks the innovative insight to keep up with the industry. This can be seen in the horrid ad campaigns they've been pooping out for the last few years in a last gasp attempt to salvage the few loyal customers they had left. The vast majority of the corporate landscape, sans Sinnwell, lacks a college education - which is astonishing for a major corporation, and makes it all the more surprising that Dahl's has stuck around for so long. What's worse, Sinnwell is a damn pharmacist who lacks the charisma or experience to run a grocery business.

If you look at Hy Vee, those in positions of corporate power have degrees. I don't think that fact can be overlooked when examining demise of Dahl's, and is probably the largest reason for its plight.
 

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Worked there as an assistant within the last five years.

There are a lot of issues: of major concern is corporate management, which is a boys' club that lacks the innovative insight to keep up with the industry. This can be seen in the horrid ad campaigns they've been pooping out for the last few years in a last gasp attempt to salvage the few loyal customers they had left. The vast majority of the corporate landscape, sans Sinnwell, lacks a college education - which is astonishing for a major corporation, and makes it all the more surprising that Dahl's has stuck around for so long. What's worse, Sinnwell is a damn pharmacist who lacks the charisma or experience to run a grocery business.

If you look at Hy Vee, those in positions of corporate power have degrees. I don't think that fact can be overlooked when examining demise of Dahl's, and is probably the largest reason for its plight.

You don't have to have a degree to be able to run a business. How can you be a pharmacist and not have a degree?
 

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You don't have to have a degree to be able to run a business. How can you be a pharmacist and not have a degree?

Read again. Key words: sans Sinnwell. As in he does have a degree - in pharmacy, albeit.

I agree that you don't need a degree to run a company, and I didn't specifically express that sentiment. But at some point you need to surround yourself with educated people to keep up with the Jones's. The good ol' boys and "yes men" appointed by Sinnwell by and large don't have that education. I don't know how that can be argued against as something that drives a large corporation forward - or in this instance, into the ground.
 

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Grocery stores do that on purpose, they know that if you are coming in for a gallon milk, chances are you need something else. The milk section at the Dahls in Ankeny is at the back of the store as well.

You guys would surely FLUNK Grocery store layout design 101. Store are set up with most coolers on the perimeter of the stores as is the freezers usually and meat departments simply because of the refrigeration needs and delivery needs. Frozen foods are usually in the last aisle before you check out so your frozen stays frozen longer before you leave the store. Having grown up in and making the grocery business my career after ISU, I am always amused by the internet articles complaining about the great grocery store conspiracies perpetrated on the shopping public. 99% of the stories are trash created by really stupid people. Sure some chains have been really bad in the past, as I remember finding ketsup in one aisle and mustard in a differnt aisle in a Hinky Dinky grocery store around 40 yrs ago in Des Moines. Needless to say HD followed Safeway in vanishing from the Midwest in late 70's. Thee were really bad retailers for customers and Safeway more so for vendor fraud as I saw it then. Most people just believe the crap stories about prodict placement and store layout because they are too lazy to look at the stores layout and analyse why produce is usualy the first department you see and frozen is the last department you visit before checkout and the milk and meat coolers in between. Just use your head. Having called on Dahl's headquarters back when WT Dahl was still involved in the chain, their time has passed. Stores on Hubbell, se14th and a large new store at NW corner of 35th & University were all torn down Their claim of lower prices and greater selection because they didn't carry the expense of advertising is long gone. Most advertising costs today and back then were carried by the vendors wanting their items in the corporate ads now set up at HyVee or Fareway headquarters. Long gone are Acri wholesale, Associated Grocers coop, Super Valu headquarters in Iowa, Nash Finch variety of stores out of Cedar Rapids, M & JR Hakes in Laurens, Eagle Stores, and Farmhouse foods in the Quad Cities, and on and on.

The grocery business has been bastardized by every and all gas station convience stores, Menards and other home improvement outlets, drugstore chains, Walmart, Kmart and Target stores.

I am waiting for a Younkers to start selling produce, bread, meat and ice cream soon all in the name of one stop shopping.

HyVee tried to sell high end mens clothing at the old 86th & Douglas store around 15 yrs ago and failed miserably. Do you want to admit that you bought your $400 leather coat at Hyvee? so sometimes even HyVee fails to understand the art of selling groceries and the mix. It's all about image and price. HyVee is upscale and trendy selection and Fareway is about basics, staples and lower prices. Dahl's is now on the outside, looking in the windows of the other two, waiting to disappear.

Here ends the rant
 
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Spot on. Product placement 101. Put your most popular products at the back and make the customer walk past everything else to get to it.
Too bad you are totally wrong Try thinking where the coolers and refrigeration equipment are located. If you think it is to make you walk and shop the store more, I feel sorry for you, you just don't understand how a grocery store has to be layed out.
 

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Too bad you are totally wrong Try thinking where the coolers and refrigeration equipment are located. If you think it is to make you walk and shop the store more, I feel sorry for you, you just don't understand how a grocery store has to be layed out.
I don't know if I'd go so far as to feel sorry for someone regarding grocery store layouts, it's not like most of us give a crap beyond idle conversation.
 

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Worked there as an assistant within the last five years.

There are a lot of issues: of major concern is corporate management, which is a boys' club that lacks the innovative insight to keep up with the industry. This can be seen in the horrid ad campaigns they've been pooping out for the last few years in a last gasp attempt to salvage the few loyal customers they had left. The vast majority of the corporate landscape, sans Sinnwell, lacks a college education - which is astonishing for a major corporation, and makes it all the more surprising that Dahl's has stuck around for so long. What's worse, Sinnwell is a damn pharmacist who lacks the charisma or experience to run a grocery business.

If you look at Hy Vee, those in positions of corporate power have degrees. I don't think that fact can be overlooked when examining demise of Dahl's, and is probably the largest reason for its plight.

HyVee was at the same situation back in the 60's with little manangement with degrees. Rich Jurgens, ISU grad and ..retired HyVee CEO was part of the big education push at HyVee. Dahl's never did the same as I recall.
 

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been to it only a few times and also count me as one who was unimpressed, and the lady from their commercials woof.
 

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You guys would surely FLUNK Grocery store layout design 101.

some things

Here ends the rant

Too bad you are totally wrong Try thinking where the coolers and refrigeration equipment are located. If you think it is to make you walk and shop the store more, I feel sorry for you, you just don't understand how a grocery store has to be layed out.


Wow, thanks major! It's been quite a while since I've been able to add to my list of "things that people look down on me for not knowing, but in actuality, I don't give a $*!+"

I was beginning to think it was going to be stuck on "Bieber is from Canada" for-EVER!
 

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I don't know if I'd go so far as to feel sorry for someone regarding grocery store layouts, it's not like most of us give a crap beyond idle conversation.

Yes but he is drinking from the fountain of great conspirices that grocery stores do things like milk at the back of the store just to make you walk more and shop more. If anything HyVee's new mega stores do that just with their sheer size. Fareway smaller size is much more appealing to in and out and gone shopping. One truism still is true, the longer you are in the store, the more you will ultimately buy
 
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