NFL: Jay Cutler and Bears likely parting ways
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He's had 8 years to try and take those tools and make something of them. He's not done so, and to expect him to do it at this point (and pay him big money to wait and see) is foolish.
These two posts just don't make sense to me.
The Bears have been bad on offense for a long time before this season due to lack of weapons. This year they have offensive weapons but their issue is on defense. But yet you seemingly place all of the blame on Cutler.
The Bears have not given him any offensive help until basically this year and then the defense ***** out. Cutler is not the problem.
I don't blame Cutler I just don't want to pay him. Because he gets injured a lot and is mistake prone.
I would bet a lot of money that the Bears betting their season on McCown ends in disaster.
Do Bears's fans really think that he is going to take them anywhere? Dear god do I hope that is what they do.
Do Bears's fans really think that he is going to take them anywhere? Dear god do I hope that is what they do.
THIS. Cutler is not the reason the Bears tanked this year. But I think paying Cutler big money will prevent the Bears from fixing the issues that plagued them this year.
An average QB with the weapons they have on offense can produce well. Pair that with a good defense, and you've got a contender.
The previous versions of Bears paired a below average QB (Grossman) with below average weapons and an outstanding defense. That was good enough to reach the Super Bowl, just not good enough to win it.
The Bears can get similar production out of less expensive options.
I'm not even a Bears fan. I'm not emotionally invested enough into any team to claim myself as a fan. I just think letting Cutler walk is a better move than paying him big money.
The Bears have suffered through Jim Miller and Rex Grossman. I think they're well aware of how much worse they could do than Cutler.
What you can't seem to wrap your head around, is that the opinion to let Cutler walk is NOT about blaming him for this season. Everybody is pretty aware that the defense sucking *** is why the season was disappointing. But not spending money on Cutler allows the Bears to dip into a solid defensive FA pool and shore it up.
If Cutler were Peyton Manning good, I'd say spend the big bucks to keep him. But he's not on that level and very likely never will be, so he's not worth that kind of money. They're better off not reaching.
I wrap my mind around it fine. I think you undervalue the QB position in the NFL. The Bears traded 2 first round picks for this guy. It costs a hell of a lot more than 15-17 million in cap room to find another QB capable of running a team or that has the potential that Cutler has.
The price for that is almost always a top 3 pick in the NFL draft, a completely lost season. And even then it's no guarantee.
Spielman said today that there won't be a decision on how the Vikings tackle the quarterback situation until a coach is hired.
As I Packer fan, I hope the Bears lock up Cutler with Romo type money.
Is there anyone better? Maybe not next year, but there will be for the money. I'd rather have a guy with slightly less consistent talent for a lot less money and contract length, start getting the roster on defense caught up, and get the future at QB next year. Cutler is not likely going to get any better, and it has been proven the current combination of just an above average NFL QB in Cutler plus a bad defense is not going to get it done.
You mean the guy who has NEVER finished in the top 10 in passer rating? Or the guy who doesn't even manage a 60/40 TD/INT ratio?
Cutler doesn't suck, but he's HIGHLY overrated because he's "got the tools". It's been eight years and he still hasn't put it all together. To sink franchise QB money into an 8-year vet who's NEVER actually performed at franchise QB levels would be a mistake, ESPECIALLY if the only reason for doing is that there's no one better currently on the market. The term "potential" goes out the window once you hit your fourth or fifth year as a starter. After that, it's time to start producing. And yes, the Bears traded a couple first round picks for him. That happened between his third and fourth seasons in the league, when he had tons of potential. But he's shown very little growth as a quarterback since arriving in Chicago five years ago; even this year, with all the shiny toys for him to play with, his numbers weren't far from his career averages.
Cutler is not a bad quarterback, but he's not a franchise guy, either. He is what he is: a slightly above-average quarterback. There are plenty of guys the Bears can make a move for or sign that fit that description, but those other guys won't command franchise QB money.
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Who are these other above average QB available? Vick?
Even if Cutler won't go for the Bears deal, they'll tag him, mark it down.
Even if Cutler won't go for the Bears deal, they'll tag him, mark it down.
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there were five games in which the defense surrendered game winning TDs inside of 1 minute.
throw out any stat you want, but that is pathetic.
Some Bears fans are funny. They ***** and complain about Cutler...must have a very short memory. Would you rather have:
Cade McNown
Shane Matthews
Jim Miller
Chris Chandler
Henry Burris
Kordell Stewart
Rex Grossman
Craig Krenzel
Chad Hutchinson
Jonathan Quinn
Kyle Orton
Brian Griese
Starting QBs before SINCE 2000 before Jay Cutler. No thanks, I'll take Cutler every day of the week. Especially if our other options are Matt Schaub or drafting a new QB.
Cade McNown
Shane Matthews
Jim Miller
Chris Chandler
Henry Burris
Kordell Stewart
Rex Grossman
Craig Krenzel
Chad Hutchinson
Jonathan Quinn
Kyle Orton
Brian Griese
Starting QBs before SINCE 2000 before Jay Cutler. No thanks, I'll take Cutler every day of the week. Especially if our other options are Matt Schaub or drafting a new QB.
I agree but comparing him against a list of awful QB's doesn't make him great. The other thing is Cutler (with better WR's, Marshall tilts that argument every time) has done less than some of those names. There are guys on there who won playoff games, even went to a Super Bowl. That says investing money in a QB didn't get the Franchise any further than putting money into other positions. The bottom line is even though Cutler is better than that list you gave, bringing him in hasn't moved the franchise any further forward than before he got here. I think thats how I think the Bears need to evaluate it, the bad thing is, Trestman is there for Cutler, he was brought in for Cutler.
No, he's had ONE year. Lovie's teams never paid any attention whatsoever to the offense. Every year before this one, Cutler was trying to throw TDs from under a pile of defensive linemen and linebackers.
