*** OFFICIAL: McKay to ISU!! ***
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CycloneErik
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Yeah--three bowl games in four years, coming off WhatHisName, sure as heck isn't "delivering", is it?
Actually, that would be like Fred making the NCAA three out of four years (which he seems about to do), only making it to the first or second round rather than a deep run--then having a bad year.
Exact. Same. Parallel.
Not to derail the thread. At least, I HOPE that Fred isn't hit by a rash of injuries, like CPR has been. Ejim better not be the start of something bad. And whatever, McKay is a GREAT get!
Sure. If Fred has a 4 win season, then Fred took basketball into the gutter, and ought to be called out on it. I love Fred's work to death, but I've got no problem saying that failure is failure.
On that note, it would be nice to keep football out of the basketball threads.
Yeah--three bowl games in four years, coming off WhatHisName, sure as heck isn't "delivering", is it?
Actually, that would be like Fred making the NCAA three out of four years (which he seems about to do), only making it to the first or second round rather than a deep run--then having a bad year.
Exact. Same. Parallel.
Not to derail the thread. At least, I HOPE that Fred isn't hit by a rash of injuries, like CPR has been. Ejim better not be the start of something bad. And whatever, McKay is a GREAT get!
Wouldn't it be more like FH going .500 in 3 years, and then sub .500 in another, and then only winning 5 games in his most recent season?
It is much, much, much harder to get into the postseason in basketball.
CycloneErik
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And Fred's postseason performance's are pretty spectacular and memorable, even if it's "only" the round of 32. Fred's teams show up for postseason play.
I'm not going to quote the link, as I was told not to by Bader, but in the Hoiberg Hire thread, who is the BG some CFers wanted instead of Hoiberg? I didn't follow ISU athletics as thoroughly then as I do now.
Yeah--three bowl games in four years, coming off WhatHisName, sure as heck isn't "delivering", is it?
Actually, that would be like Fred making the NCAA three out of four years (which he seems about to do), only making it to the first or second round rather than a deep run--then having a bad year.
Exact. Same. Parallel.
Not to derail the thread. At least, I HOPE that Fred isn't hit by a rash of injuries, like CPR has been. Ejim better not be the start of something bad. And whatever, McKay is a GREAT get!
Those 3 bowl games would be the equivalent to 3 straight NIT appearances. You don't get to the NCAA tourney with a .500 record.
CFH has done a 1,000,000X better job than Rhoads. I'm beginning to think CFH is a genius.....Rhoads not so much. Where the rubber meets the road, Hoiberg is speaking with results, not with Rah, Rah speeches or sideline antics that mean nothing in the results department.
Good get by ISU, Hoiberg is building a monster in Ames.
Yes and no.
Yes, you can get into bowl games at 6-6, but in MBB you pad your W/L by a long non-conference schedule with MANY cupcakes. You don't have that luxury in football. When UNI and Tulsa are 2 of your 3 easiest games, that's not a fair comparison.
Not to mention, B12 basketball isn't nearly as impressive as their football programs.
I would certainly give the nod to Fred, but in fairness, he has an easier job than CPR. You can turn around a basketball team completely with 1-2 players. Not so in football. Not to mention that in b-ball you can get "more creative" on the recruiting front with the high number of transfers each year. That's where Fred has made his gains in talent level. You don't have many transfer options in football.
Not bitter at all. It is his college choice and I hope he goes where he feels most comfortable. However, that kid is crazy talented and has a pretty good offer list and I just get why someone that talented with probably NBA potential would want to go to a school in a dwindling conference with not the greatest fan support compared to some of the bigger schools after him. I dont know. Playing time? He could compete for playing time right away anywhere he went. Regardless, that'll be a big get for Bradley and their program.
I'm going to strongly disagree with you on this one...especially given what we've seen over the last few years. If you don't schedule some tough resume building games in the non conf part of the season it seriously impacts your chances at making the dance.
Bowl games are strictly based on a W/L record. 6 wins and you're in. This is far from the case with the tourney.
I get that football is tougher, but in year 5 you should be hitting your stride. Look at the guys who have turned things around and they are turning the corner or are already there by year 5. Now Rhoads in year 6 will just be looking to get back to the same level he was at in years 1-4?
Hoiberg not only turned around the BB program fast, he is now set up for sustainable future success. There is no comparison between the two right now, Rhoads is all talk, and Hoiberg is all results.
This is true, but it wasn't really known as a way to do things before Hoiberg all but pioneered it, with Dana Altman following suit. No one really considered taking a bunch of transfers as a reasonable way to build a team before, so that should be a credit to Hoiberg, not an advantage he was given.
But overall, yes.
You have to remember the state of the program at that point in time. ISU basketball was in a full blown nuclear winter thanks to McDoormat. The feeling among most of the fans was that the only way ISU could make it out of that situation was to hire a veteran coach and proven recruiter. Nobody had any idea what kind of coach and recruiter that Hoiberg would become. Fast forward to the present and now everyone understands the calculated risk that JP took when he hired Hoiberg. It was a home run hire and Fred has put together a quality staff and these guys are excellent recruiters. The improvement in talent level between McDoormat's squads and Hoiberg's squads is incredible. McDoormat was getting beat out for recruits by mid-major schools and now Hoiberg is beating some of the best basketball programs in the country for recruits. The impact of the Hoiberg hire on the ISU program has been nothing short of amazing.
