Williams & Blum Pod: How good is the ISU basketball job?

[ChrisMWilliams]

Enjoy.

Williams & Blum Pod: Analyzing the ISU Basketball job

Chris Williams & Brent Blum respond to an email from a listener, and dig deep on the history and future of ISU hoops. Plus, reaction from last week's CW podcast with Jon Heacock and more. Courtesy of Mechdyne.

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[Cycl1]

Who do you like to replace Prohm as coach? Is there anyone internal to consider, or is a cleaning of house required?

 

[deadeyededric]

It might still be the 4th best job in the conference because of the fans. KU, Texas, and OU are better jobs for sure. The program itself is no doubt the worst in the Big 12.

 

[CyBobby]

I AGREE deadeyededic that this program is by far the WORST program right now in the Conference....

I cant understand why csp could not recruit a Point Guard for two years while Drake has two point guards who can play the position and both pass to open players ...Penetrate and drive to the basket....

 

[quasistellar]

Man I really gotta say I’m seriously sick of the bad luck argument. That‘s big time loser mentality. Prohm made his own luck by GROSSLY mismanaging and badly coaching his players. Every p6 coach in the country has to deal with players who might want to declare and injuries. EVERY coach. Maybe if the players liked the coach or thought they‘d improve or have something to play for like a conference championship or a run in the big dance they’d stick around. If Monte was one of Prohm s recruits he would have declared after junior year and gone to G league or something . No way he would have stayed like he did for his senior year.

His situation has ZERO to do with luck. He even got more time than most coaches get to right the ship and instead of improving he ******* torpedo‘d the thing. It takes a special kind of bad coach to go from top 15 program to worst in P6 with zero conference wins.

Is this argument a personal relationship or access thing? I just don’t get it.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Man I really gotta say I’m seriously sick of the bad luck argument. That‘s big time loser mentality. Prohm made his own luck by GROSSLY mismanaging and badly coaching his players. Every p6 coach in the country has to deal with players who might want to declare and injuries. EVERY coach.

His situation has ZERO to do with luck. He even got more time than most coaches get to right the ship and instead of improving he ******* torpedo‘d the thing. It takes a special kind of bad coach to go from top 15 program to worst in P6 with zero conference wins.

Is this argument a personal relationship or access thing? I just don’t get it.

Agree. You make your own luck in CBB.

 

[Halincandenza]

Man I really gotta say I’m seriously sick of the bad luck argument. That‘s big time loser mentality. Prohm made his own luck by GROSSLY mismanaging and badly coaching his players. Every p6 coach in the country has to deal with players who might want to declare and injuries. EVERY coach.

His situation has ZERO to do with luck. He even got more time than most coaches get to right the ship and instead of improving he ******* torpedo‘d the thing.

Is this argument a personal relationship or access thing? I just don’t get it.

It is ok to acknowledge bad luck along with also saying he failed. But the fact is he also had some good luck.
I don't know if CW and Blum are trying to make excuses for him but even if they aren't, the bad luck thing is an exaggeration. Just like this year: Hinson not being able to play could be considered bad luck but then again not really because the recruited him here knowing he had health issues so that was in the realm of possibilities. Same with Foster.

 

[goody2012]

It might still be the 4th best job in the conference because of the fans. KU, Texas, and OU are better jobs for sure. The program itself is no doubt the worst in the Big 12.

If you asked other coaches I think they would pick ISU the 8th best job at best, ahead of KSU, maybe ahead of TCU. We massively overestimate the appeal of the job.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Chris Williams, this podcast was great, but I need to pose a question. When you mentioned teams like Davidson and Belmont have great systems and run better stuff than the teams that beat them. How do you explain the ‘19 Cyclones?

They had the most talent in the conference and a ton more than OSU and lost thar game in the tournament.

Looking at single NcAA tournament games is a bad way to measure your program. Especially from an AD perspective.

 

[quasistellar]

It is ok to acknowledge bad luck along with also saying he failed. But the fact is he also had some good luck.
I don't know if CW and Blum are trying to make excuses for him but even if they aren't, the bad luck thing is an exaggeration. Just like this year: Hinson not being able to play could be considered bad luck but then again not really because the recruited him here knowing he had health issues so that was in the realm of possibilities. Same with Foster.

I think we actually disagree. I don’t actually think Prohm had bad luck compared to any other coach in the country. On the contrary I think he took all the great things handed to him and threw them in a dumpster and lit them on fire.

 

[ISUCubswin]

Chris Williams, this podcast was great, but I need to pose a question. When you mentioned teams like Davidson and Belmont have great systems and run better stuff than the teams that beat them in their conference tournaments (VCU and Morehead State). How do you explain the ‘19 Cyclones?

They had the most talent in the conference and a ton more than OSU and lost thar game in the tournament.

They were coached by Steve Prohm

 

[ISUCubswin]

Looking at single NcAA tournament games is a bad way to measure your program. Especially from an AD perspective.

Agree. Signing your coach to an extension after going 9-9 with a ridiculous amount of talent in-conference is also a bad way to measure your program.

 

[KnappShack]

Man I really gotta say I’m seriously sick of the bad luck argument. That‘s big time loser mentality. Prohm made his own luck by GROSSLY mismanaging and badly coaching his players. Every p6 coach in the country has to deal with players who might want to declare and injuries. EVERY coach. Maybe if the players liked the coach or thought they‘d improve or have something to play for like a conference championship or a run in the big dance they’d stick around. If Monte was one of Prohm s recruits he would have declared after junior year and gone to G league or something . No way he would have stayed like he did for his senior year.

His situation has ZERO to do with luck. He even got more time than most coaches get to right the ship and instead of improving he ******* torpedo‘d the thing. It takes a special kind of bad coach to go from top 15 program to worst in P6 with zero conference wins.

Is this argument a personal relationship or access thing? I just don’t get it.

You are what your record says you are.

-Bill Parcells

 

[Gunnerclone]

Agree. Signing your coach to an extension after going 9-9 with a ridiculous amount of talent in-conference is also a bad way to measure your program.

I hope JP has to answer for that extension. Let’s see if anyone has the balls to ask him.

 

[ISUChippewa]

Chris Williams, this podcast was great, but I need to pose a question. When you mentioned teams like Davidson and Belmont have great systems and run better stuff than the teams that beat them in their conference tournaments (VCU and Morehead State). How do you explain the ‘19 Cyclones?

They had the most talent in the conference and a ton more than OSU and lost thar game in the tournament.

Hey, March happens...

 

[ChrisMWilliams]

The most frustrating part of my job is when you spend months analyzing a situation and people cherry pick 10 minutes of a podcast as the only point you have made about it.

Of course there is more to the downfall of the program than bad luck. Nobody ever said other wise. We spent time in this very podcast discussion how with the bad luck, the Prohm staff missed on so many recruits along the way that they didn't have enough talent in store to combat the bad luck.

Luck, good and bad, is part of the deal. The great ones overcome the bad and use the good to build off of.

 

[RustShack]

I hope JP has to answer for that extension. Let’s see if anyone has the balls to ask him.

How do you ask him? He’s not answering calls/messages and not attending games anymore. It’s like, he’s avoiding answering questions.

 

[daniel22]

Looking at single NcAA tournament games is a bad way to measure your program. Especially from an AD perspective.

I agree with you, but my point is why if talent is more important than coaching why did we struggle that season and then lost in the big dance.

I think the great teams have talented players, who know their roles (this team doesn’t know their roles well) and are used to best utilize their talents.

 

[cycloneML]

It might still be the 4th best job in the conference because of the fans. KU, Texas, and OU are better jobs for sure. The program itself is no doubt the worst in the Big 12.

Why is OU better?

 

[WhoISthis]

Looking at single NcAA tournament games is a bad way to measure your program. Especially from an AD perspective.

Only thing worse is looking at a Big 12 tournament run treated as a pseudo exhibition by some of teams with bids locked up.