Which Fake Loss was Worse?

[AuH2O]

Two things - the FSU game was to score to either tie or go for 2 for the win. I recall Mac saying they would’ve gone for two. I just assume his 2 point play would’ve been the blown up QB run on the last play of the game had the TD counted. So no guarantees.

Can’t complain about the Yelk kick vs Bama because pretty much the identical kick worked in our favor when OSU in 2011.

 

[AlaCyclone]

I am semi-listening to the Toledo @ WMU game. The Broncos just scored a TD and missed the extra point. I could have sworn the announcer said: "He Yelked it". lol.

 

[CySmurf]

You remember that if it is above the goalpost, it means it’s no good? It has to be between the goalposts

I think the rule is once it's above the goalposts, the outer edges of the posts become the boundry...not the inside. I guess if a referee deems any part of the ball is outside that imaginary line, it's no good...a very tough call.

 

[83cy]

In that alabama game ISU beat them in about every stat but the final score. Yelk missed an under 30 yarder earlier in the game. I can't believe the number of games MAC lost to missed chipshot field goals. SMH

 

[stateofmind]

In that alabama game ISU beat them in about every stat but the final score. Yelk missed an under 30 yarder earlier in the game. I can't believe the number of games MAC lost to missed chipshot field goals. SMH

I was there. Yelk missed 4 that day I think. I about got in a fight with Bama fans chanting roll Tide after getting run up and down the field. Even worse I think Iowa won the Alamo on that same kick the same year.

I was at the FSU game as well. That game would've been tied after getting in and guessing we win in OT, but almost surely Mac would've went for 2. We had the mo. One of the most fun losses I've attended.

 

[BCClone]

I think the rule is once it's above the goalposts, the outer edges of the posts become the boundry...not the inside. I guess if a referee deems any part of the ball is outside that imaginary line, it's no good...a very tough call.

Rule 1 , section 2 article 5 subsection a. States that each goal is out of bounds which means that being above is the same as catching a ball with you feet either fully or partially out of bounds.

When you analyze it, it does make sense that above is out of bounds since the ball has to travel between the goalposts and doesn’t count if they just hit a post.

 

[cyclone13]

I will always believe that the refs thought that was Snyder's last game and so were going to do what they could to get him a win

I am thinking of Mac’s last game when we benefited from the call against Mizzou. Could be some kind of “yeah, give it too him - it’s a close game”
That doesn’t make it better though.

 

[cyclone13]

In that alabama game ISU beat them in about every stat but the final score. Yelk missed an under 30 yarder earlier in the game. I can't believe the number of games MAC lost to missed chipshot field goals. SMH

I recall several times the ESPN announcer said “Seneca Wallace - we are witnessing a star in the making here”

 

[Rural]

By that time I'm not sure how many bowl eligbile teams ISU could have beaten.

I'd say none.

 

[Al_4_State]

Texas 2013 might be the worst. We won that damn game.

We probably end up going to a bowl game that year if we get that win. We lost the next week in a close game against Tech and that's when the wheels just fell off before bouncing back a little at the end of the year.

That's the kind of game that can flip a season the other direction.

 

[amishclone]

Win the Bama game and have a winning record against them. Gotta be worth something.

Also, the Jeremiah George game was the worst

 

[madguy30]

Two things - the FSU game was to score to either tie or go for 2 for the win. I recall Mac saying they would’ve gone for two. I just assume his 2 point play would’ve been the blown up QB run on the last play of the game had the TD counted. So no guarantees.

Can’t complain about the Yelk kick vs Bama because pretty much the identical kick worked in our favor when OSU in 2011.

If ISU takes care of things in the red zone vs. Bama they win by two TDs. They shouldn't have been in that position.

 

[AuH2O]

By that time I'm not sure how many bowl eligbile teams ISU could have beaten.

I think that 2002 team was just done by the end of the season. The last straw was the game vs. Texas. ISU played pretty well and it was a tight game. I think it was maybe a one score game late, and Chris Simms runs a sneak on 4th and 1, which gets absolutely blown up and he doesn't come remotely close to getting back to the line of scrimmage, but somehow they get the first down. Game over, and they just seemed to mentally have nothing left in the tank.

 

[cyclones500]

I was there. Yelk missed 4 that day I think.

I can't recall number of FG misses, I thought it was fewer (even counting the phantom miss at the end) -- but he did also have a punt blocked, led to the go-ahead score ... I think I'm accurate with that but can't immediately find the entire box score, with a quick search.

Also seems like we were driving in Alabama territory when it was 13-7 and fumbled (but I may be incorrect about what point in the game that occurred).

 

[AuH2O]

I was there. Yelk missed 4 that day I think. I about got in a fight with Bama fans chanting roll Tide after getting run up and down the field. Even worse I think Iowa won the Alamo on that same kick the same year.

I was at the FSU game as well. That game would've been tied after getting in and guessing we win in OT, but almost surely Mac would've went for 2. We had the mo. One of the most fun losses I've attended.

Was at that game too. It was probably the most fun I've had at an ISU game. FSU ended up being not that great that season, maybe #25 or so, but they were considered challengers for a Natty.

I don't remember the situation, but I know when ISU was down a couple scores fairly late in the game and faced a 4th down in their own territory I was thinking, "oh great, Mac's going to punt and go for the moral victory," but to my surprise he went for it, and the comeback was on.

 

[HFCS]

I was at the FSU game and the K State flag pickup, K State was much worse. The FSU game was different because we were crazy excited just to be competitive with them and it was early in the year, it was to early to tell what/or if anything at all was at stake. The K State was more meaningful. Plus, it wasn't just that flag, they had two other flags picked up in the 2nd half that game that were also big. One was a hit on Kempt sliding, I forget the other atm but I've been going to games for nearly 40 decades and can't remember a time that many flags were picked up.

Sometimes games literally are fixed and it does get proven.

I became a Roma soccer fan while studying abroad. There was a game around 2001 where the refs called a reasonable obvious penalty and pointed to the pk spot. They had a meeting. No penalty.

A year later it was proven that they were paid to fix the game, Juventus had a titled stripped and was relegated. Around that same time the NBA went through its own game fixing controversy.

FSU and Alabama were close calls that sucked to live through. The KU basketball game in Ames a few years ago and the KSU flag pickup game, IMHO were more likely to have been fixed than the officials making 4-5 horrific one sided wrong calls at the very end of a game. I have no idea what the motivation was, but Occam's razor in those cases seems more likely some shady motivation than honest mistakes.

Those are the only two I feel that way about. The phantom 3 game was definitely a case of the refs being in love with KU but I'm not convinced they were trying to get them the win like those other two cases.

 

[HFCS]

Was at that game too. It was probably the most fun I've had at an ISU game. FSU ended up being not that great that season, maybe #25 or so, but they were considered challengers for a Natty.

I don't remember the situation, but I know when ISU was down a couple scores fairly late in the game and faced a 4th down in their own territory I was thinking, "oh great, Mac's going to punt and go for the moral victory," but to my surprise he went for it, and the comeback was on.

I had a couple "FSU" fans behind me at that game in FSU gear that turned out to be Iowa fans, heard a few "we" mentions of recent Iowa results. They left in the 3rd quarter when ISU started dominating.

Entire first half they were mocking Seneca. I can't imagine how they'd feel a few weeks later.

 

[AuH2O]

I had a couple "FSU" fans behind me at that game in FSU gear that turned out to be Iowa fans, heard a few "we" mentions of recent Iowa results. They left in the 3rd quarter when ISU started dominating.

Entire first half they were mocking Seneca. I can't imagine how they'd feel a few weeks later.

My group of friends were sitting by what appeared to be legit FSU fans. Had the redneck riviera accent and everything. They were actually pretty cool, and we exchanged some beers and good natured trash talk.

 

[BCClone]

Hope you didnt' send any dikpiks to the FSU fans. They apparently don't like them even if you are a famous quarterback, or at least not the one below.

 

[Aclone]

Yes, they had a very good explanation with the okie state upset. Their kick went over the top of the bar. Rule states the the ball must pass completely between the posts. If any part is not considered fully inside the posts, it is a miss.

I looked it up in the NCAA rules. You would be incorrect.

The only thing specifically stated is that “above” the bars is not reviewable. Beyond that is a referee judgment call as to whether the ball would have gone inside or out. There is nothing else about “directly above”—except in the NFL.

Apparently those TV announcers you’re citing confused the NFL and NCAA rules.

There is also no rule in college on how tall the bars can or must be—also unlike the NFL.