Whats up with all the charges?

[Clonefan32]

I can't remember which game I was watching a few nights ago but Jay Bilas was really complaining about the number of charges called throughout college basketball. He was talking about how it had become way too easy to draw a charge, and that a charge should kind of be the "exception to the rule" and the block call should be the default. I completely agree with him, it becomes really hard to do anything when someone can slid under you and draw a foul.

Edit: he mentioned it on Twitter too: https://twitter.com/#!/JayBilas/status/35655913188630529

 

[LegendofRodA]

Pretty much on the same page with everyone here. I notice the surplus of charges and I can't stand it. 2 things: it promotes flopping, uses the term "drawing a charge" way too broadly and also will force players that are physically stronger than other guys (i.e. Royce White) to back off and not drive. Just turrible.

 

[gocubs2118]

It just seems like more than ever this year that the refs are giving the flopper the benefit of the doubt when they try to take the charge. I hardly ever see it get called a block whenever someone tries to draw a charge.

 

[LegendofRodA]

It just seems like more than ever this year that the refs are giving the flopper the benefit of the doubt when they try to take the charge. I hardly ever see it get called a block whenever someone tries to draw a charge.

Or even better is the no call...just let them play, because to me it just makes the flopper look like a fool when he gets dunked on right after.

 

[Knownothing]

Seems funny that a former Duke Blue Devil is against flopping and taking charges. That is 90% of the Duke defensive game plan.

I hate charges unless a guy comes in out of control. (Ejim I am talking to you).

 

[MartyFine]

Was the second call on Royce last night a charge or did the call him for hooking? I was pretty confused by that call as I didn't see too much, but then a gain my seat is in the upper balcony.

Whatever they called, it was neither.

 

[tejasclone]

All this flop talk reminds me of this:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0upQDkY-pg]dook's (duke's) Greg Paulus flops (better quality) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[InAWord]

Lets be honest, while I believe the charging calls are out of control, Royce needs to stop elbowing people. The one he threw last night for his 2nd foul was so blatant the ref HAD to call it. He lead first with an elbow to the chest. Can't do that.

What drove me crazy last night was how much they allowed Keiton Page (or as I call him, Ollie from the Hooisers movie) to push off.

 

[Clonehomer]

I think it has been overly called early this year, but it has been getting better as the season has gone on. I think players are learning the rules and adjusting now.

In recent years it seemed like it was getting to the point that it was impossible to play defense. If a guy was bigger, he could just back you down and go right through the defender with no call or a blocking call. If a defender moves his feet and keeps good position and you run him over, that's a charge In college basketball.

 

[IcSyU]

This. Commentators don't understand this and never explain it right.

How I was taught to officiate this by a D-I official is, if the contact occurs in the middle of the defender's chest, it's a charge. Anywhere else (shoulder/side) then the defender is not completely in front of the offensive player, therefore, not in legal guarding position and it's a block.

I've had pretty good luck sticking with these guidelines over the years and not taken much heat for calling it that way.

Randy Heimerman?

And the other one that pisses me off is when Scott cries like he did last night that he was driving going away from the hoop, jumps back towards the hoop where the defender is legally positioned, then throws a fit because no call for the body foul. Sorry Scott, but stripes has that right.

 

[ozzie8]

That half circle is crap, its bailing out the officials. It doesnt matter if a player is set, if hes outside the circle and an offensive player has contact, its gonna be a charge.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

The best thing would be to extend the charge circle out another 2 feet.

 

[Clonefan32]

Randy Heimerman?

And the other one that pisses me off is when Scott cries like he did last night that he was driving going away from the hoop, jumps back towards the hoop where the defender is legally positioned, then throws a fit because no call for the body foul. Sorry Scott, but stripes has that right.

Agreed. Interior defense is almost impossible to do anymore because they allow a guy to jump at a 45 degree angle right at your body and call the foul on the defender if his arms are even slightly leaning forward. It should be fairly simple...call the foul on the person who initiates the contact.

 

[ruxCYtable]

Randy Heimerman?

And the other one that pisses me off is when Scott cries like he did last night that he was driving going away from the hoop, jumps back towards the hoop where the defender is legally positioned, then throws a fit because no call for the body foul. Sorry Scott, but stripes has that right.

No it was Hartzell

 

[Cyclonepride]

By the way....the one kid on OSU did the same exact forearm move/offensive foul that was called on Royce, later in the game. Funny thing was, all he did was shove himself off Royce about 5 feet, and Royce didn't move.

 

[herbicide]

The biggest bull **** foul is the foul where shooter pump fakes, defender jumps straight up and then shooter jumps into defender and gets a bail out whistle. Either no foul or offensive....can't be a body foul on the defender.

IIRC, technically that is an offensive foul (or non-call), as the defender is supposed to be entitled to the space they are in and the space infinitely above them. (must keep arms straight)

I know that gets called all the time, but per the rules it should be either offensive or no-call.

 

[adusade]

Across the board in College Basketball I've seen more charges called this year than in all other years combined. Was the charge one of their "focuses" this off-season or is the half circle just messing everything up?

If by "focuses" you mean "Points of Emphasis" then the answer is yes.

 

[adusade]

IIRC, technically that is an offensive foul (or non-call), as the defender is supposed to be entitled to the space they are in and the space infinitely above them. (must keep arms straight)

I know that gets called all the time, but per the rules it should be either offensive or no-call.

But what happens in this situation USUALLY is that the defender jumps FORWARD, NOT STRAIGHT UP, therefore your theory is incorrect.

 

[Tedcyclone]

Across the board in College Basketball I've seen more charges called this year than in all other years combined. Was the charge one of their "focuses" this off-season or is the half circle just messing everything up?

stupid rule change... i hate that you cant physical in basketball anymore at all.. stupid.

 

[IcSyU]

IIRC, technically that is an offensive foul (or non-call), as the defender is supposed to be entitled to the space they are in and the space infinitely above them. (must keep arms straight)

I know that gets called all the time, but per the rules it should be either offensive or no-call.

Isn't that what I said?