Way too many JUCO transfers for McDermott

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So many here say success is only measured by tourney success. SO LE really only had 1 good year and 1 year that is still held up as one of the largest collapses in modern basketball history. LE quite simply had a once in a lifetime roster where all the pieces performed. Truly great coaches do that year in and year out while LE has NEVER come close to having half that success. He got lucky - nothing more and nothing less. He had never done it before ISU and hasn't done anything like at after.

He lucked into it? Come on, as I said before, let's be sensible.
 

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McDermott is a good coach, but being a good coach does not make someone successful in the big 12 - much more is needed. McDermott has been forced to sign Jucos because of the transfers. Since Iowa State will never be able to sign a class filled with blue chip recuits it must use JUCO players and must take the best players available, and signing all freshman when you have 5 or 6 openings would result in a couple bad years, and bad years cause players to transfer creating more problems again.

McDermott has taken chances on players hoping that one or two will become great and help build the program. Once the team has had a successful year or two hopefully they could start to land some bigger recruits. So far he has been burnt, but at least he is trying. He could just recruit a bunch of unathletic system players and try to hope for a good year every once in a while.
 

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This board is almost laughable sometimes. People cracking on an ISU coach that won TWO BIG XII TITLES and at the same time propping up a coach who has accomplished ABSOLUTELY NOTHING at ISU.
 
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So many here say success is only measured by tourney success. SO LE really only had 1 good year and 1 year that is still held up as one of the largest collapses in modern basketball history. LE quite simply had a once in a lifetime roster where all the pieces performed. Truly great coaches do that year in and year out while LE has NEVER come close to having half that success. He got lucky - nothing more and nothing less. He had never done it before ISU and hasn't done anything like at after.

Don't even know how to respond to that one...yikes.

Larry had 2 GREAT years at Iowa State, one terrible one, and 2 mediocre ones. His 2 great years were 2 of the greatest if our history, the 2000 run of course being the best. And he didn't just "luck" into it. He molded the players he inherited into freak beast tough SOB's and added his own recruits...who he also molded into freak beast SOB's. Larry has won conference titles at about every conference he's been to minus SM.

Sorry man; your post is just way, way off.
 

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Good point here. ISU under LE didn't need a deep bench because the starters were athletic freaks who could play 40 minutes. Maybe GMAC could try this route - assuming the starters don't get fed up with the tough practices and quit.
 

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I think the title of this thread should be "Way too many losing seasons in a row for McDermott that probably won't be changed by recruiting JUCO transfers".
 

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Seriously.....Larry's year 4 team was terrible. TERRIBLE. In addition, Larry's 5th year team only made the postseason because it was before the NIT changed. In that year, the NIT took teams that would draw a good crowd and thus make money. That team would have never made it it into today's NIT.
But it still would beat the teams that have donned the ISU colors in the prior 4 years...Please inform on the NIT because North Carolina made it into that tournament as a 4 seed at a 16-16 record? Tell me how its changed.....
 

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Don't even know how to respond to that one...yikes.

Larry had 2 GREAT years at Iowa State, one terrible one, and 2 mediocre ones. His 2 great years were 2 of the greatest if our history, the 2000 run of course being the best. And he didn't just "luck" into it. He molded the players he inherited into freak beast tough SOB's and added his own recruits...who he also molded into freak beast SOB's. Larry has won conference titles at about every conference he's been to minus SM.

Sorry man; your post is just way, way off.

And then? And then? We had an amazing but brief touch with greatness but trying to put him into the mold of Bill Self or Coach K or Izzo or the rest of the group of consistently GREAT coaches is goofy. The starts aligned for ISU like they do for any number of teams that have flashes of greatness. The tourney is FULL of 1-year wonders and thats what we were - 1 year tourney wonders.
 

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Some people will whine about ANYTHING. At least they can't say "Not enough TALENT for McDermott"--which is all that really matters.
 

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LE was great because he was so much better than WM.

WM is now considered good because we a coach with one of the worst 4 year records in any BCS conference.

If another coach at ISU were to win a Big 12 championship, LE would be quickly forgotten. Morgan, of course, would be forgotten even faster. But as long as McD is Daddy, we are going no where, and LE and WM will be legends.
 

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I'll take all of the talented jucos we can sign at this point. Mac has done a really good job evaluating JC talent, we need the help right away. I really don't care about the past, I just want the Clones to move forward and I think Mac can do it.
 

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LE was great because he was so much better than WM.

WM is now considered good because we a coach with one of the worst 4 year records in any BCS conference.

If another coach at ISU were to win a Big 12 championship, LE would be quickly forgotten. Morgan, of course, would be forgotten even faster. But as long as McD is Daddy, we are going no where, and LE and WM will be legends.

You just post to **** people off, wish you wouldn't post.
 

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It's depressing that Gmac, after year 4, has to camp out at the junior college national tournament last week in Hutchinson, KS to spot JUCO stragglers to fill out a frickin' roster.
And if JUCO players are unsigned in the spring, they're stragglers...

I'll make sure to tell that to the UNC and Kansas State assistants that were there...
 

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And then? And then? We had an amazing but brief touch with greatness but trying to put him into the mold of Bill Self or Coach K or Izzo or the rest of the group of consistently GREAT coaches is goofy. The starts aligned for ISU like they do for any number of teams that have flashes of greatness. The tourney is FULL of 1-year wonders and thats what we were - 1 year tourney wonders.

Ha. I never said he was in the same boat as Self, Izzo, K, etc. Doesn't mean he isn't a great coach. There are a lot of great coaches who aren't coaching for perennial top 10 teams. Again, he's won conference titles at about every conference/level he's coach at. That takes a great coach to accomplish that...
 

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instead of getting juco transfers for our basketball program,maybe we should transrer our coach to a junior college.
 
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Ha. I never said he was in the same boat as Self, Izzo, K, etc. Doesn't mean he isn't a great coach. There are a lot of great coaches who aren't coaching for perennial top 10 teams. Again, he's won conference titles at about every conference/level he's coach at. That takes a great coach to accomplish that...

Listen, LE had a couple of GREAT seasons at ISU...there is absolutely no question of that.

However, to call him a "great coach" is a pretty big reach...he has coached at four schools for 19 seasons and has only 3 NCAA tournament appearances (2 of which were the 2 great years at ISU). Furthermore, he only has 3 other postseason appearances (2 NITs and 1 CIT). That is not the stuff of "greatness".
 

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Recruiting is different for football and bball. I see no harm in any number of Jucos in bball, as long as they can play. It's pretty rare to see guys stay all 4 years nowadays anyway, the only difference is with jucos atleast you know when they'll be gone.
 

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Listen, LE had a couple of GREAT seasons at ISU...there is absolutely no question of that.

However, to call him a "great coach" is a pretty big reach...he has coached at four schools for 19 seasons and has only 3 NCAA tournament appearances (2 of which were the 2 great years at ISU). Furthermore, he only has 3 other postseason appearances (2 NITs and 1 CIT). That is not the stuff of "greatness".


And LE left our BB program in a terrible situation which we are still struggling to recover from.

Player attrition was terrible under LE. WM had his share of misses also. Stinson and Blalock were great and carried us. A great backcourt would do wonders. Also some decent FT shooting.
 

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Listen, LE had a couple of GREAT seasons at ISU...there is absolutely no question of that.

However, to call him a "great coach" is a pretty big reach...he has coached at four schools for 19 seasons and has only 3 NCAA tournament appearances (2 of which were the 2 great years at ISU). Furthermore, he only has 3 other postseason appearances (2 NITs and 1 CIT). That is not the stuff of "greatness".

Well call me a reacher then because I think Larry's a great coach :)