CycloneErik
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I am not in the Greg camp, but good lord, let's be sensible.
Do you really think he has that in him. Hasn't posted anything sensible yet (that I remember.)
I am not in the Greg camp, but good lord, let's be sensible.
So many here say success is only measured by tourney success. SO LE really only had 1 good year and 1 year that is still held up as one of the largest collapses in modern basketball history. LE quite simply had a once in a lifetime roster where all the pieces performed. Truly great coaches do that year in and year out while LE has NEVER come close to having half that success. He got lucky - nothing more and nothing less. He had never done it before ISU and hasn't done anything like at after.
So many here say success is only measured by tourney success. SO LE really only had 1 good year and 1 year that is still held up as one of the largest collapses in modern basketball history. LE quite simply had a once in a lifetime roster where all the pieces performed. Truly great coaches do that year in and year out while LE has NEVER come close to having half that success. He got lucky - nothing more and nothing less. He had never done it before ISU and hasn't done anything like at after.
But it still would beat the teams that have donned the ISU colors in the prior 4 years...Please inform on the NIT because North Carolina made it into that tournament as a 4 seed at a 16-16 record? Tell me how its changed.....Seriously.....Larry's year 4 team was terrible. TERRIBLE. In addition, Larry's 5th year team only made the postseason because it was before the NIT changed. In that year, the NIT took teams that would draw a good crowd and thus make money. That team would have never made it it into today's NIT.
Don't even know how to respond to that one...yikes.
Larry had 2 GREAT years at Iowa State, one terrible one, and 2 mediocre ones. His 2 great years were 2 of the greatest if our history, the 2000 run of course being the best. And he didn't just "luck" into it. He molded the players he inherited into freak beast tough SOB's and added his own recruits...who he also molded into freak beast SOB's. Larry has won conference titles at about every conference he's been to minus SM.
Sorry man; your post is just way, way off.
LE was great because he was so much better than WM.
WM is now considered good because we a coach with one of the worst 4 year records in any BCS conference.
If another coach at ISU were to win a Big 12 championship, LE would be quickly forgotten. Morgan, of course, would be forgotten even faster. But as long as McD is Daddy, we are going no where, and LE and WM will be legends.
It's depressing that Gmac, after year 4, has to camp out at the junior college national tournament last week in Hutchinson, KS to spot JUCO stragglers to fill out a frickin' roster.
And if JUCO players are unsigned in the spring, they're stragglers...
And then? And then? We had an amazing but brief touch with greatness but trying to put him into the mold of Bill Self or Coach K or Izzo or the rest of the group of consistently GREAT coaches is goofy. The starts aligned for ISU like they do for any number of teams that have flashes of greatness. The tourney is FULL of 1-year wonders and thats what we were - 1 year tourney wonders.
Ha. I never said he was in the same boat as Self, Izzo, K, etc. Doesn't mean he isn't a great coach. There are a lot of great coaches who aren't coaching for perennial top 10 teams. Again, he's won conference titles at about every conference/level he's coach at. That takes a great coach to accomplish that...
Listen, LE had a couple of GREAT seasons at ISU...there is absolutely no question of that.
However, to call him a "great coach" is a pretty big reach...he has coached at four schools for 19 seasons and has only 3 NCAA tournament appearances (2 of which were the 2 great years at ISU). Furthermore, he only has 3 other postseason appearances (2 NITs and 1 CIT). That is not the stuff of "greatness".
Listen, LE had a couple of GREAT seasons at ISU...there is absolutely no question of that.
However, to call him a "great coach" is a pretty big reach...he has coached at four schools for 19 seasons and has only 3 NCAA tournament appearances (2 of which were the 2 great years at ISU). Furthermore, he only has 3 other postseason appearances (2 NITs and 1 CIT). That is not the stuff of "greatness".