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kberyldial

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brokenloginagain said:
the media doesn't choose the 68 teams for the tourney. there are no lines drawn in conference standings. i don't know if the committee uses crayola, however.
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The media spends the entire season choosing the teams!!! I hear more about Texas and the Tournament than I do ISU!!!! If Texas and ISU have the identical resume who gets taken? It's an imaginary line by the way. It's called a concept. Now run along and remember not to squeeze your juice box.
 
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kberyldial said:
Real Einstein aren't ya? Why don't you tell me what's true? We're guaranteed a spot in the tournament huh? I haven't seen alot of advocates for Iowa State yet. Seems most media people think we're a nice story about transfers. Our bad losses get more time than any win we've had. Let's say Texas goes ahead of us in the year end standings and we tie KSU and they beat us decidedly in Manhatten. Are you mentally capable of following me at this point or should I draw you a crayola picture? It is at this point that the committee could hypothetically draw a line at 5 in the Big 12. They got Texas and saw a recent loss by us to KSU. Good enough for them. That's closer to truth than your capacity is in figuring something like this out on your own.
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If Texas passes us and KSU ties us with a decided victory in Manhatten then we probably deserve to be on the outside looking in.
 
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kberyldial said:
Real Einstein aren't ya? Why don't you tell me what's true? We're guaranteed a spot in the tournament huh? I haven't seen alot of advocates for Iowa State yet. Seems most media people think we're a nice story about transfers. Our bad losses get more time than any win we've had. Let's say Texas goes ahead of us in the year end standings and we tie KSU and they beat us decidedly in Manhatten. Are you mentally capable of following me at this point or should I draw you a crayola picture? It is at this point that the committee could hypothetically draw a line at 5 in the Big 12. They got Texas and saw a recent loss by us to KSU. Good enough for them. That's closer to truth than your capacity is in figuring something like this out on your own.
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K St plays Mizzou and Baylor next 2 games. We have OU and TT. We we win both and they lose both, we will be 10-5 and them 6-9 with 3 games to go. No way they can catch. Doesn't even matter what Tex does (this scenario is for Big 12 tourney seeding). I just want the 4/5 game. Don't want to drop to 6 seed. Want to avoid KU, Mizzou, and Baylor in first round.
 
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kberyldial said:
The media spends the entire season choosing the teams!!! I hear more about Texas and the Tournament than I do ISU!!!! If Texas and ISU have the identical resume who gets taken? It's an imaginary line by the way. It's called a concept. Now run along and remember not to squeeze your juice box.
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Um, no. The media doesn't pick anyone.
 
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kberyldial said:
The media spends the entire season choosing the teams!!! I hear more about Texas and the Tournament than I do ISU!!!! If Texas and ISU have the identical resume who gets taken? It's an imaginary line by the way. It's called a concept. Now run along and remember not to squeeze your juice box.
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NCAA

this document has a lot of lines, and some colors for you. maybe it will help you figure this stuff out?
 
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gocubs2118 said:
Um, no. The media doesn't pick anyone.
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Um, let's try and think past the actual black and white selection process for 2 seconds. I understand media members don't sit in the room and select teams. Things that affect the RPI are in fact determined by subjective polling and the media. That can't be argued. If the Big East has 10 teams ranked at the beginning of the year and all they do is lose to each other that is perceived as good for their RPI. So last year 11 teams got in. You can work any system.
 
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ISUChippewa said:
Most recent brackets from a few different sites, not including Lunardi's.

Jerry Palm from CBSSportsline.com.

NCAA College Basketball Tournament Bracket Predictions - CBSSports.com News, Scores, Stats, Schedule and RPI Rankings

Sexy match-up in a great city. I'd take this one in a heartbeat.

Sports Illustrated's bracket, updated yesterday. Interesting match-up.

Kansas wrangles No. 1 seed in latest edition of Bracket Watch - Andy Glockner - SI.com
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Picking a final 4 would be very easy for me with this bracket. The Midwest is loaded, but I'd have to go:

Kentucky - 1 seed
Michigan State - 2 seed
Kansas - 2 seed
Ohio State - 2 seed

Maybe throw in a Marquette or Georgetown.
 
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kberyldial said:
Um, let's try and think past the actual black and white selection process for 2 seconds. I understand media members don't sit in the room and select teams. Things that affect the RPI are in fact determined by subjective polling and the media. That can't be argued. If the Big East has 10 teams ranked at the beginning of the year and all they do is lose to each other that is perceived as good for their RPI. So last year 11 teams got in. You can work any system.
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Technically anything can be argued. In this case a very compelling argument because if I am reading what you are saying correctly you are completely wrong.

I think you are confusing the RPI (which doesn't include polls) with the BCS ranking system (which does include polls).

Read here for the formula:

Ratings Percentage Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Note that a team's record (by definition) and the SOS are both determined by records, not polls. There are only three components of the RPI; a team's winning percentage, their opponents' winning percentage and their opponents' opponents' winning percentage. The polls have no effect on RPI.

Unless you are saying the media affects winning percentages you have no legitimate argument that the media affects RPI. If you mean that the media can influence the selection committee, you may have a case.
 
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Technically anything can be argued. In this case a very compelling argument because if I am reading what you are saying correctly you are completely wrong.

I think you are confusing the RPI (which doesn't include polls) with the BCS ranking system (which does include polls).

Read here for the formula:

Ratings Percentage Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Note that a team's record (by definition) and the SOS are both determined by records, not polls. There are only three components of the RPI; a team's winning percentage, their opponents' winning percentage and their opponents' opponents' winning percentage. The polls have no effect on RPI.

Unless you are saying the media affects winning percentages you have no legitimate argument that the media affects RPI. If you mean that the media can influence the selection committee, you may have a case.
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I said RPI mistakenly while trying make the point on the actual selection because higher RPI teams often are passed over. Missouri State 21 RPI as an example.
 
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Jeez... If Iowa wins tomorrow they will be a 6-7 in conference.... A game ahead of Northwestern, Minnesota, and Illinois if they lose tonight, at 5-8. Overrated!
 
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Who has Texas beat??? There best quality win is us and if they finish ahead of us then we theoretically are not a quality win right?

Either we will both be in or not be in at all.

pending on if Texas doesn't play like crap the rest of the season.
 
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kberyldial said:
Um, let's try and think past the actual black and white selection process for 2 seconds. I understand media members don't sit in the room and select teams. Things that affect the RPI are in fact determined by subjective polling and the media. That can't be argued. If the Big East has 10 teams ranked at the beginning of the year and all they do is lose to each other that is perceived as good for their RPI. So last year 11 teams got in. You can work any system.
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You might just want to quit while you're ahea...wrong about everything?
 
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ISUcy08 said:
Jeez... If Iowa wins tomorrow they will be a 6-7 in conference.... A game ahead of Northwestern, Minnesota, and Illinois if they lose tonight, at 5-8. Overrated!
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I've got to think Iowa could actually end up helping us a little bit. If they get to around .500 or better and finish ahead of those "bubble" team mentioned, our whooping of them is going to look pretty good, even if it was in December.
 
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