Tyrese Haliburton setting Pacers, Cyclones, and NBA records

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You’re absolutely right…but that does bring up an interesting comparison I was thinking of several weeks ago. I don’t know that I’ve heard anyone mention it (though I’m certain I can’t be the first) - LeBron leans pretty heavily into the load management. I’m not even saying he’s wrong for doing so,but Jordan brought it every single night…pretty much playing 82 games every season.

I can’t help but wonder what if Jordan had played less or LeBron was playing 82. I suspect neither could do what the other did. I don’t think you could keep Jordan off the court…but it probably burned him out/wore him down. His stats were still pretty impressive even in his last season.

Still, LeBron has more than earned his spot as one of the best.
Jordan retired. Twice. That's some pretty intense load management.
 

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Jordan retired. Twice. That's some pretty intense load management.
That’s kind of what I was getting at with the burnout. He couldn’t handle not playing every game of a season…and bringing it the entire game. He also couldn’t handle playing 20 straight seasons.
 

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Reggie and Tyrese aren't all that similar playing style but exact same energy. Straight up assassins but know how to have fun with it.

They are both long/skinny, both tons of swagger, both have unorthodox shots people want to change even though they are legendary shooters, but yeah it's the purest point guard vs the purest shooting guard as a player.
 

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I remember people thinking it was crazy that Wigginton was on the bench while Tyrese started. After the first real game for Haliburton vs Mizzou when Wigginton was injured, it was pretty clear to me that Tyrese was a special player. No idea he would be this good.
Now that I've had a few post game beers to dial in my focus, I'll share my observations.

I will disagree that the crowd was nuts. Ok but not great for an old rival. I could be letting the fact that my section stunk like a rotten ass from the pipe burst sour my view of the game.

Anyway, Holy Haliburton is my takeaway from the game. I don't think I've seen an ISU freshman with a feel for the game on both ends of the floor like him. Kid is special and one of those guys that just has "it".

Just like last year, with a healthy NWB at point this is a good team.

I don't see Jacobsen coming out of the starting lineup.

This team can defend and plays hard on both ends. The freshmen know how to play defense.

NWB and Shayok were patient and got good shots all night. In fact ISU as whole got good shots all night just struggled early to knock them down.
 
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That’s kind of what I was getting at with the burnout. He couldn’t handle not playing every game of a season…and bringing it the entire game. He also couldn’t handle playing 20 straight seasons.
He couldn't handle his own massive ego most of all.
 

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loved the angle of this column, great read, IMHO.

Better written than most with so many coming to this late to the party.

He's far too nice and happy to be a villain, the word they're looking for is "foil". The main reason he's a "foil" is because he's been in Sacramento and Indiana, were he in NY/LA/Chi he'd be considered pure altruistic hero and there wouldn't be any dream that he was spoiling things for others.
 
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Better written than most with so many coming to this late to the party.

He's far too nice and happy to be a villain, the word they're looking for is "foil". The main reason he's a "foil" is because he's been in Sacramento and Indiana, were he in NY/LA/Chi he'd be considered pure altruistic hero and there wouldn't be any dream that he was spoiling things for others.
The "villain" narrative bothers me. He loves the game and loves to trash talk, but he's by all means a good guy who respects the game and respects his opponents. The way he handled the incident with his father, admitting his dad was out of line and that he was going to talk to Giannis about it, was classy. Also, I appreciated how he poked fun at himself for mimicking Reggie Miller's choking gesture when he thought it was 3 only to find out it was a 2 for the tie. He admitted he never would have made the gesture had he known it was for the tie.
 

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The "villain" narrative bothers me. He loves the game and loves to trash talk, but he's by all means a good guy who respects the game and respects his opponents. The way he handled the incident with his father, admitting his dad was out of line and that he was going to talk to Giannis about it, was classy. Also, I appreciated how he poked fun at himself for mimicking Reggie Miller's choking gesture when he thought it was 3 only to find out it was a 2 for the tie. He admitted he never would have made the gesture had he known it was for the tie.

There's never been a true villain in basketball who is the best passer, a pass first player, and is not a physical/dirty player.

It's impossible. Those traits are the opposite of a basketball villain.

He is an unselfish player whose team is typically the best/fastest offense because of him. He has a ton of personality and swagger. He plays for a small market where the media is pretty transparently angry that his team is beating their preferred teams.

Jokic had to go through some of this too, not in the same way and he's obviously even more of a generational talent, but it was a struggle for Jokic to even get a regular season game on national TV until he had MVPs and titles. He wasn't the player they liked, wasn't the city they liked, for some of the bozos on ESPN wasn't the race they liked, he was just the best in the world and it took WAAAAAAY too long for many to come around.
 
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