Tom Herman comments on Iowa State's recruiting

[cyhiphopp]

He may not be specifically "scared" of ISU, but he doesn't like us or any school that uses our approach. We offer kids early and often and that is at odds with Texas and other schools who take a slower approach to recruiting. There are kids that big schools used to be able to string along with the promise of an offer in the future and now schools like ISU, and others, are throwing offers at them, giving them something to think about before the big boys get around to them.

Our staff is putting in work scouting hundreds upon hundreds of kids, which is way more than Texas wants to scout. And we are finding really good kids like David Montgomery, who probably would have gone to a MAC school if Campbell hadn't have swooped him up.

We got Joseph Scates this year, who ISU got in on early and stayed with, even when big programs shied away due to academic concerns. These kinds of recruiting wins pile up and build momentum for the future.

Texas wants to sit there and offer the top kids in Texas, get them signed, and then clean up on other prospects that might take a little more scouting. But teams like ISU have been on those guys for a year and suddenly that late Texas offer doesn't look as good when Campbell is preaching loyalty and the faith he has in these kids.


Schools like Texas would rather everyone did things the old fashioned way. Scout kids and only offer a certain number of schollies to your top targets. Then, if you don't get them, move on to your backup plans, and so on. That leads to teams like ISU striking out with great recruits, getting some decent recruits, and filling in with 2 star depth guys. Campbell and staff are getting out there and talking to EVERYONE and if they get a hit from a great recruit they will accept that commit right away. But they are in that kids ear early and often, while Texas and others look for their top 30 that they really want to offer.

We might end up only stealing a few super stars from big schools, but we will also take a lot of their backup plans. And with the staff of motivators we have, we can turn those "backup" guys into damn good Big 12 football players.

Look at Brock Purdy. Yes ATM and Bama wanted him after they missed on early elite prospects, but he stuck with ISU because we believed in him much earlier than that and the staff sold him a vision where he would be a big contributor at ISU, not just someones fallback kid.

 

[TheJackWePack5]

He may not be specifically "scared" of ISU, but he doesn't like us or any school that uses our approach. We offer kids early and often and that is at odds with Texas and other schools who take a slower approach to recruiting. There are kids that big schools used to be able to string along with the promise of an offer in the future and now schools like ISU, and others, are throwing offers at them, giving them something to think about before the big boys get around to them.

Our staff is putting in work scouting hundreds upon hundreds of kids, which is way more than Texas wants to scout. And we are finding really good kids like David Montgomery, who probably would have gone to a MAC school if Campbell hadn't have swooped him up.

We got Joseph Scates this year, who ISU got in on early and stayed with, even when big programs shied away due to academic concerns. These kinds of recruiting wins pile up and build momentum for the future.

Texas wants to sit there and offer the top kids in Texas, get them signed, and then clean up on other prospects that might take a little more scouting. But teams like ISU have been on those guys for a year and suddenly that late Texas offer doesn't look as good when Campbell is preaching loyalty and the faith he has in these kids.


Schools like Texas would rather everyone did things the old fashioned way. Scout kids and only offer a certain number of schollies to your top targets. Then, if you don't get them, move on to your backup plans, and so on. That leads to teams like ISU striking out with great recruits, getting some decent recruits, and filling in with 2 star depth guys. Campbell and staff are getting out there and talking to EVERYONE and if they get a hit from a great recruit they will accept that commit right away. But they are in that kids ear early and often, while Texas and others look for their top 30 that they really want to offer.

We might end up only stealing a few super stars from big schools, but we will also take a lot of their backup plans. And with the staff of motivators we have, we can turn those "backup" guys into damn good Big 12 football players.

Look at Brock Purdy. Yes ATM and Bama wanted him after they missed on early elite prospects, but he stuck with ISU because we believed in him much earlier than that and the staff sold him a vision where he would be a big contributor at ISU, not just someones fallback kid.

I almost wonder what ISU commits (and other schools commits honestly) would have been targets for the Texas (and other big name schools) had the early signing period not existed. You can bet there would be at least a few.

 

[cyhiphopp]

I almost wonder what ISU commits (and other schools commits honestly) would have been targets for the Texas (and other big name schools) had the early signing period not existed. You can bet there would be at least a few.

Oh yeah. We were lucky to find Brock Purdy before the wolves descended. The early signing period will be good for ISU some years and bad in other years. We'll get to ink a good recruit before someone else tries to sway him, but those that wait for the February signing period will be like fresh meat for big schools that didn't get their top picks.

 

[CYCLNST8]

I like to imagine all of Herman's targets having Iowa State offers before Texas:

"Campbell already offered and visited?? Jesus tap dancing Christ that's the fifth one in a row!"

 

[cyhiphopp]

I like to imagine all of Herman's targets having Iowa State offers before Texas:

"Campbell already offered and visited?? Jesus tap dancing Christ that's the fifth one in a row!"

I have a mental image of Herman driving up to a recruits house in his burnt orange Escalade. Grabbing his folder full of paperwork and climbing out.

Then Campbell come out on the front porch, shaking the recruits hand and hugging the recruits mom.

And Herman says, "Son of a *****!"

 

[rholtgraves]

Here is his full statement:

"I think I said this on the 21st, and I want to make it clear publicly again, we finished this recruiting cycle, I believe my numbers are correct, Iowa State led all of the Power 5 schools in documented offers. We were the fifth fewest with Stanford, Northwestern, Clemson who I think is only signing 15, and Washington behind us, who they subscribe to the OKG model, our kind of guy.
I think it's very important that everybody in the state of Texas knows, Oklahoma and Louisiana, that when we say the word 'offer', the young man can say yes on the spot right then and there, and we're going to be doing cartwheels and backflips down the hallway and celebrate because we got our guy.
We are not in the business of offering to get in it. Coach, I got to throw an offer out so I can recruit him.
No, you don't. Not in this state you don't. You say the word 'offer', we better be happy if that kid commits. More than happy, ecstatic.
Do we get beat up a little bit sometimes? Yeah.
Coach, I had 47 offers before you guys offered me.
I know. We weren't sure. We needed to see you in camp. We needed to see three games of your senior film because we weren't sure. We don't offer people we're not sure of.
There's all this non-committable offer. That's a real phrase. So it's not an offer. If it's not committable, what is it? It isn't an offer. Or offer to get to camp. I hear that all the time.
We want you to come to camp.
I'm only camping at the places that offer me.
Great. See you at camp.
It's not real, right, we all know that. It's really important for me to continue to spread that message, that we are going to be very diligent in our research with guys that fit what we do."

 

[cyhiphopp]

Here is his full statement:

"I think I said this on the 21st, and I want to make it clear publicly again, we finished this recruiting cycle, I believe my numbers are correct, Iowa State led all of the Power 5 schools in documented offers. We were the fifth fewest with Stanford, Northwestern, Clemson who I think is only signing 15, and Washington behind us, who they subscribe to the OKG model, our kind of guy.
I think it's very important that everybody in the state of Texas knows, Oklahoma and Louisiana, that when we say the word 'offer', the young man can say yes on the spot right then and there, and we're going to be doing cartwheels and backflips down the hallway and celebrate because we got our guy.
We are not in the business of offering to get in it. Coach, I got to throw an offer out so I can recruit him.
No, you don't. Not in this state you don't. You say the word 'offer', we better be happy if that kid commits. More than happy, ecstatic.
Do we get beat up a little bit sometimes? Yeah.
Coach, I had 47 offers before you guys offered me.
I know. We weren't sure. We needed to see you in camp. We needed to see three games of your senior film because we weren't sure. We don't offer people we're not sure of.
There's all this non-committable offer. That's a real phrase. So it's not an offer. If it's not committable, what is it? It isn't an offer. Or offer to get to camp. I hear that all the time.
We want you to come to camp.
I'm only camping at the places that offer me.
Great. See you at camp.
It's not real, right, we all know that. It's really important for me to continue to spread that message, that we are going to be very diligent in our research with guys that fit what we do."

And that's all bull ****. If Campbell offers and a kid wants to commit on the spot, we'll take it. The assertion that we are just throwing out offers like candy is also complete BS. Our staff is working their butts off to scout every one of these kids and if they offer before Texas, it's because they were "sure" before Texas was.

Tom wants to eat his cake and have it too. He wants to go in and cherry pick his favorite 20 guys and then be able to come back around to the second tier without teams like ISU all up in those recruits offer list.

 

[cyhiphopp]

Here is his full statement:

"I think I said this on the 21st, and I want to make it clear publicly again, we finished this recruiting cycle, I believe my numbers are correct, Iowa State led all of the Power 5 schools in documented offers. We were the fifth fewest with Stanford, Northwestern, Clemson who I think is only signing 15, and Washington behind us, who they subscribe to the OKG model, our kind of guy.
I think it's very important that everybody in the state of Texas knows, Oklahoma and Louisiana, that when we say the word 'offer', the young man can say yes on the spot right then and there, and we're going to be doing cartwheels and backflips down the hallway and celebrate because we got our guy.
We are not in the business of offering to get in it. Coach, I got to throw an offer out so I can recruit him.
No, you don't. Not in this state you don't. You say the word 'offer', we better be happy if that kid commits. More than happy, ecstatic.
Do we get beat up a little bit sometimes? Yeah.
Coach, I had 47 offers before you guys offered me.
I know. We weren't sure. We needed to see you in camp. We needed to see three games of your senior film because we weren't sure. We don't offer people we're not sure of.
There's all this non-committable offer. That's a real phrase. So it's not an offer. If it's not committable, what is it? It isn't an offer. Or offer to get to camp. I hear that all the time.
We want you to come to camp.
I'm only camping at the places that offer me.
Great. See you at camp.
It's not real, right, we all know that. It's really important for me to continue to spread that message, that we are going to be very diligent in our research with guys that fit what we do."

Oh and we already heard the full statement. So you're not pointing out anything special here.

The only think I haven't heard yet is the question or lead in that brought him to this statement.

 

[rholtgraves]

And that's all bull ****. If Campbell offers and a kid wants to commit on the spot, we'll take it. The assertion that we are just throwing out offers like candy is also complete BS. Our staff is working their butts off to scout every one of these kids and if they offer before Texas, it's because they were "sure" before Texas was.

Tom wants to eat his cake and have it too. He wants to go in and cherry pick his favorite 20 guys and then be able to come back around to the second tier without teams like ISU all up in those recruits offer list.

It is going to be ok.

 

[rholtgraves]

Oh and we already heard the full statement. So you're not pointing out anything special here.

The only think I haven't heard yet is the question or lead in that brought him to this statement.

Someone asked how far along they were with the 2019 class I believe.

 

[cyhiphopp]

It is going to be ok.

Thanks buddy. I'll survive. Doesn't mean I like hearing BS spread about my football program though.

 

[VeloClone]

And that's all bull ****. If Campbell offers and a kid wants to commit on the spot, we'll take it. The assertion that we are just throwing out offers like candy is also complete BS. Our staff is working their butts off to scout every one of these kids and if they offer before Texas, it's because they were "sure" before Texas was.

Tom wants to eat his cake and have it too. He wants to go in and cherry pick his favorite 20 guys and then be able to come back around to the second tier without teams like ISU all up in those recruits offer list.

This is the key that Ferentz and Herman don't want to talk about. Yes there are a lot of offers out but they aren't putting out uncommittable offers and they aren't putting out offers and then telling kids "no" or "wait" when the want to commit. If they say yes, the scholly is theirs. That doesn't mean every offer has an unlimited shelf life but no school has every offer good forever. Every school has a class to fill.

 

[cyhiphopp]

This is the key that Ferentz and Herman don't want to talk about. Yes there are a lot of offers out but they aren't putting out uncommittable offers and they aren't putting out offers and then telling kids "no" or "wait" when the want to commit. If they say yes, the scholly is theirs. That doesn't mean every offer has an unlimited shelf life but no school has every offer good forever. Every school has a class to fill.

They are literally mad that we offered before they did. So they have to construe it as ISU being reckless and flippant with their offers when that is not even close to the case. Our staff is working fast and furious and Texas wants to be able to slow play kids. Plain and simple.

 

[Allikat]

The new approach is working on recruiting and on the field.

That is the reason why Iowa State is being singled out by Texas and the TOE. We USED to be an afterthought. Now we are competition. CMC clearly knows how to win in today's environment. Marketing 101: "If they aren't talking about you, you are doing something wrong." Keep talking Herman!

 

[TheJackWePack5]

It is going to be ok.

Well he's not wrong.

I guarantee you there have been situations where UT was slow playing a kid or two to see if a top recruit committed at that same position.

Case and point: 2018 RB recruit holds a Texas offer. Ends up signing with Georgia Southern.

But surely Texas would have taken his commitment if he called on 2/7 and asked to?

 

[LincolnWay187]

I have a mental image of Herman driving up to a recruits house in his burnt orange Escalade. Grabbing his folder full of paperwork and climbing out.

Then Campbell come out on the front porch, shaking the recruits hand and hugging the recruits mom.

And Herman says, "Son of a *****!"

Then Herman would try to kiss Campbell, and Campbell would stiff arm Herman's face into a hedge row.

Hey Williams...did Herman ever try to kiss you? #metoo?

 

[cc1091]

I've been a big Tom Herrman fan for a long time. However....
That he has seen fit to comment on Iowa State's ability to pull top talent versus a school like Texas and its ability to pull top talent says to me that he is 'concerned' about his old employer. How nice of him.

 

[Dr.bannedman]

reminds me of a friend who thought it was crazy that i was willing to hit on so many chicks.

1/100 means you still got laid.

 

[kingcy]

According to 247, Matt Campbell has signed a total of 4 kids from the state of Texas in his 3 seasons in Ames. (2 his first class, 0 last year, 2 this class).

Maybe he is just mad Campbell being a ISU means it makes it harder for Texas steel kids out of Iowa. Joking aside, it Campbell does make it harder for Texas to go into Ohio and other Midwest states to get kids, if they want to.

 

[IASTATE07]

reminds me of a friend who thought it was crazy that i was willing to hit on so many chicks.

1/100 means you still got laid.

That ugly, huh?