Those that want Rhoads fired (at the end of the season)...

[Tre4ISU]

PJ Fleck is too high on too many other teams wish list for it to be reasonable for ISU. His name has been floating around for two years now, and we all know ISU isn't the top destination out there.

He will scare some off because of his antics which isn't something I'm concerned about here.

Bring me Scott Frost. It's a little risky but we've seen a bunch of successful lower level coaches get to P5 schools and not work out so I don't know that it's anymore risky.

I like what Stitt does but I wonder if he would be able to get good enough assistants and I don't know what recruiting looks like with him.

Calvin Magee was brought up and he's interesting. I just wonder if he has any desire to be a HC since he's been around so long with the success RichRod has had.

 

[cyhiphopp]

But it is realistic....he already came here once. People go to the schools like Houston and others you mentioned in order to get a P5 Head Coaching job. It's a stepping stone school just like 75% of the people in this thread say we are. They had Art Briles who went on to Baylor and Kevin Sumlin who went onto A&M. They've won one conference title in the last decade. Yes they've been to quite a few bowl games recently, but it's not like we can't compare with the University of Houston

The coaches to left Houston went to much better jobs than ISU. That is the difference. Herman has a better program at Houston and a much better chance at getting a GOOD P5 job in a few years. He would be an idiot to take the ISU job, even if we could pay him more.

 

[im4cyclones]

I suppose we have burned bridges with Danny Mac. I really think Mangino would be a good candidate. He won at Kansas. Enough said. Its not like he lost his job for losing.

Mangino is Dan McCarney 2.0. Look at their season-by-season records. The difference is he had one breakout season in 2007. They played two ranked teams in the regular season that year and only beat one of them, #24 Kansas State. They had a terrible non-con that season, the B12 North was a disaster aside from Mizzou (who whooped KU), and he missed OU and TX that season. Talk about the stars aligning.

 

[im4cyclones]

But it is realistic....he already came here once. People go to the schools like Houston and others you mentioned in order to get a P5 Head Coaching job. It's a stepping stone school just like 75% of the people in this thread say we are. They had Art Briles who went on to Baylor and Kevin Sumlin who went onto A&M. They've won one conference title in the last decade. Yes they've been to quite a few bowl games recently, but it's not like we can't compare with the University of Houston

Again, Herman isn't coming here for the very reason that he has already been here once. See my post above. He knows exactly how difficult it is to win here.

 

[cyhiphopp]

I would put a lot of money on Frost holding out for a premier job.

Frost can easily parlay the Oregon OC position into a much better job than ISU. We might have had a chance if we had hired him before he was the OC.

Now he will wait and get one of the top jobs in the next few years.

 

[rochclone]

But it is realistic....he already came here once. People go to the schools like Houston and others you mentioned in order to get a P5 Head Coaching job. It's a stepping stone school just like 75% of the people in this thread say we are. They had Art Briles who went on to Baylor and Kevin Sumlin who went onto A&M. They've won one conference title in the last decade. Yes they've been to quite a few bowl games recently, but it's not like we can't compare with the University of Houston

So if the name wasn't Iowa State but rather Indiana, Wake Forest or Colorado would you think that Herman leaving for those jobs would be a step-up. You don't take a Power 5 job from the MW or AAC unless you know you can win there.

 

[cyhiphopp]

I think our best chance is with a guy like Bob Stitt. ISU is an upgrade from Montana and I can see him wanting the challenge of playing in the Big12. He is known as an offensive innovator and would have something to sell. If JP gives him the cash to hire some every good assistants, then they can help recruit Big12 level athletes.

The only other choices are to go after young guys from lower level FBS programs. I don't think P5 coordinators will be willing to come to ISU. It's just too hard to win here.

 

[WalkingCY]

Mack Brown. Former ISU coach, and he's had success in the b12 (with better talent of course). Idk if we could get him, but I feel like it'd be worth a shot.

I would love for ISU to get Mack Brown. I feel it would be ISU's "Johnny Orr" hire for football. So many Texas connections, has had a lot of loyal players/assistants at Texas that would join up again with him. I would think that beating Texas and raising ISU's status would be a great thing for him to close out his career with.

Question is, how much can ISU offer? What would he be willing to take to make it interesting?

 

[cyhiphopp]

So if the name wasn't Iowa State but rather Indiana, Wake Forest or Colorado would you think that Herman leaving for those jobs would be a step-up. You don't take a Power 5 job from the MW or AAC unless you know you can win there.

Herman is now a National Championship winning OC. He's at a program in Houston that can easily recruit better athletes than most of the rest of his conference. Houston also has the pedigree of producing Briles and Sumlin, who have both succeeded and taken their current programs to new heights.

Herman can win pretty easily at Houston and get a mid to high level P5 job in a few years.

 

[Spam]

I would love for ISU to get Mack Brown. I feel it would be ISU's "Johnny Orr" hire for football. So many Texas connections, has had a lot of loyal players/assistants at Texas that would join up again with him. I would think that beating Texas and raising ISU's status would be a great thing for him to close out his career with.

Question is, how much can ISU offer? What would he be willing to take to make it interesting?

My concern is that he may treat the ISU job like semi-retirement.

Who are some of the coaches that have been fired from powerhouses and gone on to win at more low profile P5 schools? I can't think of many. Maybe there are some?

 

[WalkingCY]

My concern is that he may treat the ISU job like semi-retirement.

Who are some of the coaches that have been fired from powerhouses and gone on to win at more low profile P5 schools? I can't think of many. Maybe there are some?

Lou Holtz had some years at South Carolina after being forced out of Notre Dame. I know Ohio isn't P5, but Frank Solich has had a decent career with the Bobcats.

It isn't out of the realm of possibility for a guy like Mack Brown. Being forced out by Texas, finding his way back in the Big 12 to make some noise could be his main motivator if he were to take a job like Iowa State.

 

[SpokaneCY]

I don't believe it is almost wholly a coaching issue. Borrowing from my teaching experience, you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink. The horse has to be thirsty. Get in his head all you want, he still has to be thirsty. Got to believe you can win and play with heeart.

I don't think you taught at a human school...

 

[SpokaneCY]

I would love for ISU to get Mack Brown. I feel it would be ISU's "Johnny Orr" hire for football. So many Texas connections, has had a lot of loyal players/assistants at Texas that would join up again with him. I would think that beating Texas and raising ISU's status would be a great thing for him to close out his career with.

Question is, how much can ISU offer? What would he be willing to take to make it interesting?

Mack even looks tired on College Gameday... May as well ask for Howard Schnellenberger who seemed to be a HC for 50 years all over the place.

There will be many, many viable candidates for the gig. Facilities, fan support, JP and the department (maybe), Leath and the administration (maybe). As we've seen there are many more ways for coaches to succeed at ISU than just win. I'd like to KEEP that win metric, but someone thinking about coming here won't see it as a graveyard as some really good coaches have come through here. Not many of CPRs mind you, but TOP MEN.

 

[CycloneErik]

My concern is that he may treat the ISU job like semi-retirement.

Who are some of the coaches that have been fired from powerhouses and gone on to win at more low profile P5 schools? I can't think of many. Maybe there are some?

I think Howard Schnellenberger did some really short stays at schools after the USFL folded. I don't remember much coming of those short stays.

 

[Stormin]

Mack even looks tired on College Gameday... May as well ask for Howard Schnellenberger who seemed to be a HC for 50 years all over the place.

There will be many, many viable candidates for the gig. Facilities, fan support, JP and the department (maybe), Leath and the administration (maybe). As we've seen there are many more ways for coaches to succeed at ISU than just win. I'd like to KEEP that win metric, but someone thinking about coming here won't see it as a graveyard as some really good coaches have come through here. Not many of CPRs mind you, but TOP MEN.

We had 2 candidates for the job after Chizik left. Turner Gill said he was not interested. From where our program was when CPR came, he had remarkable success his first 4 seasons. Maybe you think the alternative of Turner Gill would have been better..........if he had been interested.

 

[JTSHilton]

I really think Matt Campbell is a potential hire. Toledo dominates the MAC, and he has had very good offenses in his time there.

 

[SimpsonCyclone]

My list

No particular order:

Doug Meacham
Phillip Montgomery
Scott Frost
Frank Wilson
Doc Holliday
PJ Fleck
Justin Fuente
Jake Spavital
Rhett Lashlee
Wille Fritz
Lance Leipold
Bob Stitt


...Jim Tressel
...Mack Brown

 

[Gunnerclone]

I would cap my age requirement at 50. I think the next time that Chris and Blum do their "coaching stories" podcast there will be a story about how if the ISU job were open a year earlier Tom Herman would have wanted the job instead of going to Houston.

 

[Luth4Cy]

My list

No particular order:

Doug Meacham
Phillip Montgomery
Scott Frost
Frank Wilson
Doc Holliday
PJ Fleck
Justin Fuente
Jake Spavital
Rhett Lashlee
Wille Fritz
Lance Leipold
Bob Stitt


...Jim Tressel
...Mack Brown

Very good list, and some names on there I was unfamiliar with until just now. Some of those guys don't have a lot of experience, but part of being Iowa State means you have to take a chance on guys who are unproven.

 

[BryceC]

Only half joking but what is Ron Zook up to?