Those that want Rhoads fired (at the end of the season)...

laminak

Well-Known Member
Jun 13, 2010
6,698
10,363
113
Marion
I suppose we have burned bridges with Danny Mac. I really think Mangino would be a good candidate. He won at Kansas. Enough said. Its not like he lost his job for losing.

The only way I want Mangino to lead this team is if Rhoads is fired during the season and he'll be the interim coach. I'm not seeing much on offense where I'm believing Magino deserves a promotion other than an interim one.
 

JC32

Member
Aug 30, 2006
77
11
8
Top 3 in this order...

Dino Babers - Bowling Green

Justin Fuente - Memphis

Doc Holiday - Marshall (best Recruiter of the bunch)


I really wish PR could have won some games, love his attitude and fire but its time to move on.
 

MeowingCows

Well-Known Member
Jun 1, 2015
39,761
40,423
113
Iowa
I suppose we have burned bridges with Danny Mac. I really think Mangino would be a good candidate. He won at Kansas. Enough said. Its not like he lost his job for losing.

Only as an interim for a mid-year fire. As far as I'm concerned, after this season, the whole staff gets trashed. Find a new HC and let them build their staff as they please.
 

Spam

Well-Known Member
May 21, 2008
7,996
2,666
113
I like that JP asked interviewees in the basketball search to list 1-2 assistants they might bring. Hopefully that continues in the possible football search.

Poor assistants have brought down football coaches at Iowa State. McCarney's days were numbered once he hired the likes of Marty Fine, Steve Brickey and Barney Cotton. Chizik's was never going to win with Wayne Bolt and McFarland. More recently, we've seen Rhoads due in part to his assistant coach choices.

I don't expect Pollard to decide which assistants should be hired. Nonetheless it's useful to know who the interviewees are considering assistants.
 

Beyerball

Well-Known Member
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Jun 18, 2013
7,472
6,809
113
Texas
What we can be assured of is when CPR is no longer the ISU coach that Leath will be involved and a search firm will as well. Don't think that was case when CPR was hired...pretty sure it was Jps guy all way and he didn't even consider anyone else but I don't know that for sure.

I think Doc Holliday would be a very good hire. The key for a guy like that would be to ensure he gets really good OC and DC as well. What I like about Doc is he's a great recruiter, has coached under future HOF coaches, and his expertise is really Secondary and WR coaching. Two very important positions in the big 12. He is 58 which isn't ancient but that is defiantly going against him. Problem is we probably can't afford him. His buyout is same as CPR, lol.
 

Deanster

Active Member
Mar 3, 2012
587
140
43
Whoever brings back the Hit Tapes, and changes the uniforms!!!!!!!!!!1!!1!1!!1!!1
 

drlove

Well-Known Member
Mar 20, 2007
2,679
3,049
113
The dude that used to coach at Colorado School of the Mines. Can't remember where he is now, but he is an innovative offensive mind and we need that. I'm fine with a gimmicky offense at ISU. We need something different

Bob Stitt. He is now the coach at Montana. He is very high regarded in coaching circles and is finally getting noticed since he left Golden, CO.

I think he is a guy we could get to take the job.
 

Stormin

Well-Known Member
Apr 11, 2006
45,464
14,328
113
Agree, dropping the Iowa game wouldn't be a bad thing. Need to get another sure win. Yes, the job is a tough row to hoe, but there are alot of qualified young hungry guys out there who would love a head coaching gig. We may not get a name guy, but we can get someone good.

Iowa is a Power 5 Conference we beat with some regularity. Plus it is a guaranteed sellout. Bad idea to give up this game.
 

Beyerball

Well-Known Member
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Jun 18, 2013
7,472
6,809
113
Texas
Ya know after watching lot of football over 3 decades plus I've come to the conclusion(not recently) that the most important part is having solid O and D lines and a stud QB...that's it. Everything else falls into place if up have those 3. Our next coach needs to be able to recruit and develop those 3 spots for ISU to have success. Every time ISU has had a winning season(mostly) and done well is when we've had a stud QB, Sage, Seneca..etc.. Doesn't even have to be a stud but better than avg. look at CJ...dude makes plays and is better than avg. if Iowa has Ruddock this year they are 1-2 I have zero doubt.

One guy I'm intrigued with is Scott Frost. He might be a couple years away yet but he knows offenses well and would be a good recruiter I believe and has Midwest ties.
 

Stormin

Well-Known Member
Apr 11, 2006
45,464
14,328
113
What we can be assured of is when CPR is no longer the ISU coach that Leath will be involved and a search firm will as well. Don't think that was case when CPR was hired...pretty sure it was Jps guy all way and he didn't even consider anyone else but I don't know that for sure.

I think Doc Holliday would be a very good hire. The key for a guy like that would be to ensure he gets really good OC and DC as well. What I like about Doc is he's a great recruiter, has coached under future HOF coaches, and his expertise is really Secondary and WR coaching. Two very important positions in the big 12. He is 58 which isn't ancient but that is defiantly going against him. Problem is we probably can't afford him. His buyout is same as CPR, lol.

You really need to listen to CW's and Blum's Podcast concerning all the coaching searches that Iowa State has had.

We had really great candidates when DMac "resigned". 2 years later after Chizik we had 2 candidates that were viable. They were CPR and Turner Gill. Turner Gill actually turned us down because he was thinking Nebraska might open up. So our choices were CPR........or CPR. And CPR actually had a pretty decent resume. And that hire actually ended up being the best hire at that time. The perception at that time was Chizik was bailing out on the program. No one really wanted to be our coach. And now you know the circumstances surrounding the emotional win at Nebraska, and the "I am so Proud" locker room speech.

Found CW's and Blum's Podcast interesting concerning the hiring of Jim Walden. Walden was offered the Maryland job. He had a choice, and had more or less decided on Maryland. But as a courtesy decided he would do the interview with Iowa State as well. Walden ended up taking the Iowa State. And the reason? Walden said that the Iowa State job had a nice stadium and decent facilities and a great fanbase. And there was absolutely no pressure to win conference championships. Winning 6, 7 and maybe 8 games sometimes and you would be treated like a god. You did not have to compete with the Nebraskas, Colorados, and Oklahomas. Just be somewhat competitive. And there would be great patience given if you did happen to have some mediocre and poor seasons.

IMO, the program is in better shape than it was in 2008 when Chizik left. So whatever happens will happen. Blum did make the comment that we do need to let this season play out. That was the decision made. And that is what we need to do. No question the road is much more difficult for CPR than it was before these last 2 close losses.
 

Gunnerclone

Well-Known Member
Jul 16, 2010
75,322
79,296
113
DSM
Ya know after watching lot of football over 3 decades plus I've come to the conclusion(not recently) that the most important part is having solid O and D lines and a stud QB...that's it. Everything else falls into place if up have those 3. Our next coach needs to be able to recruit and develop those 3 spots for ISU to have success. Every time ISU has had a winning season(mostly) and done well is when we've had a stud QB, Sage, Seneca..etc.. Doesn't even have to be a stud but better than avg. look at CJ...dude makes plays and is better than avg. if Iowa has Ruddock this year they are 1-2 I have zero doubt.

One guy I'm intrigued with is Scott Frost. He might be a couple years away yet but he knows offenses well and would be a good recruiter I believe and has Midwest ties.

It's infuriating to me that we have not been able to or unwilling to go out and get a legitimate dual threat QB that could walk in and just blow everyone else away and get the job.
 

isufbcurt

Well-Known Member
Apr 21, 2006
27,483
44,390
113
46
Newton
Ya know after watching lot of football over 3 decades plus I've come to the conclusion(not recently) that the most important part is having solid O and D lines and a stud QB...that's it. Everything else falls into place if up have those 3. Our next coach needs to be able to recruit and develop those 3 spots for ISU to have success. Every time ISU has had a winning season(mostly) and done well is when we've had a stud QB, Sage, Seneca..etc.. Doesn't even have to be a stud but better than avg. look at CJ...dude makes plays and is better than avg. if Iowa has Ruddock this year they are 1-2 I have zero doubt.

One guy I'm intrigued with is Scott Frost. He might be a couple years away yet but he knows offenses well and would be a good recruiter I believe and has Midwest ties.

I would put a lot of money on Frost holding out for a premier job.
 
  • Like
Reactions: CyBobby

im4cyclones

Well-Known Member
Jun 14, 2010
3,937
671
113
Ames, IA
I'd love to do a Kickstarter for donations for Chip Kelley, but that's the wildest of pipe dreams here. How about a name that is up and coming, has head coaching AND Iowa State experience...? Tom Herman.

He was a bright offensive mind and that's why we brought him in. He did well enough here that he got Urban's attention and left for Ohio State. There he learned under one of the best minds in all of football, developed and recruited high quality talent, won a national title, and got his first head coaching job. I feel like he would be our best, realistic option.

He isn't a realistic option. He isn't coming back to Ames unless it is to play us. First, from what I understand his wife hated it here. Second, he heard all of the scuttlebutt about how he didn't leave but Rhoads "let him go". That didn't leave a good last impression. So you had better hope that are other "realistic" options.
 

CyGuy5

Well-Known Member
Dec 4, 2013
7,877
10,157
113
Kansas City
Mack Brown. Former ISU coach, and he's had success in the b12 (with better talent of course). Idk if we could get him, but I feel like it'd be worth a shot.
 

im4cyclones

Well-Known Member
Jun 14, 2010
3,937
671
113
Ames, IA
It's infuriating to me that we have not been able to or unwilling to go out and get a legitimate dual threat QB that could walk in and just blow everyone else away and get the job.

And if we would only just tackle the guys before they get the first down! That seems to be a simple way to win more games!
 

Beyerball

Well-Known Member
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Jun 18, 2013
7,472
6,809
113
Texas
Mack Brown. Former ISU coach, and he's had success in the b12 (with better talent of course). Idk if we could get him, but I feel like it'd be worth a shot.


Thought the same but he's too old. Football is different from bball. Mack lost the fire at Texas, he certainly wouldn't have much fire at ISU.
 

im4cyclones

Well-Known Member
Jun 14, 2010
3,937
671
113
Ames, IA
I like that JP asked interviewees in the basketball search to list 1-2 assistants they might bring. Hopefully that continues in the possible football search.

Poor assistants have brought down football coaches at Iowa State. McCarney's days were numbered once he hired the likes of Marty Fine, Steve Brickey and Barney Cotton. Chizik's was never going to win with Wayne Bolt and McFarland. More recently, we've seen Rhoads due in part to his assistant coach choices.

I don't expect Pollard to decide which assistants should be hired. Nonetheless it's useful to know who the interviewees are considering assistants.

Rhoads only bad hire, in my opinion, was Messingham. And he fixed that with Mangino. In my opinion, this may be the best staff we have had ever had. When Rhoads gets fired, it won't be because of his assistant coaches.
 

kcyclone

Active Member
Sep 11, 2012
304
31
28
Except he is not realistic. Houston is arguably a better job than Iowa State despite being in the AAC.

But it is realistic....he already came here once. People go to the schools like Houston and others you mentioned in order to get a P5 Head Coaching job. It's a stepping stone school just like 75% of the people in this thread say we are. They had Art Briles who went on to Baylor and Kevin Sumlin who went onto A&M. They've won one conference title in the last decade. Yes they've been to quite a few bowl games recently, but it's not like we can't compare with the University of Houston
 

Clonefan94

Well-Known Member
Oct 18, 2006
11,183
6,211
113
Schaumburg, IL
Agree, dropping the Iowa game wouldn't be a bad thing. Need to get another sure win. Yes, the job is a tough row to hoe, but there are alot of qualified young hungry guys out there who would love a head coaching gig. We may not get a name guy, but we can get someone good.

Yes it would. People show up just to tailgate. That's a lot of money being generated. Who are we going to trade that game for? I'd say Iowa is as winnable as any other FBS opponent we could find. And it's not like Western Michigan is going to attract the crowd the Iowa game would. The Iowa game is good for the State and it's a lot more fun win or lose than any other game we could put on our schedule.

What we need to do is stop scheduling games with non power 5 teams where we have to go play them at their stadium. Of our 3 non-con games, at least 2 of them every year should be at the Jack. Then 3 when we play Iowa at the Jack. The money generated by a home game makes it a no brainer to go ahead and buy those teams out to get out of playing at their place. Want to talk about starting to act like a Big boy, you don't go play Toledo at Toledo. Does that mean we win more games? No, but it means more money in general for the program when we play at home.