*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[jimmycy]

Are UT and OU going to stand by and let the remaining 8 (?) teams band together with their Tier 3 content? Especially if it threatens their investment?

The creation of a Big 12 network just doesn't seem that likely, given the obstacles. I know some have said, "Compete and drive the LHN out of business." But how realistic is that? Consider the leverage Texas has over the conference.

If they (LHN and Sooner Networks) offer TTU, Baylor and/or OKSt. time slots for their games on the network, will they turn them down? (they'll certainly have the room)

If they don't, then the Big 12 network exists on Tier 3 games from the remainder of the North and WVU. What cable/sat provider would carry that? And how would other sports (like MBB) work?

No flames...does someone have some insights on this?

My insight is this...you see a conspiracey under every rock. Since the schools own their own tier three rights there isn't anything Texas or Oklahoma can do about it.

Please don't take offense at this comment. Why are you still here debating this issue? It seems like you would want to be celebrating with the rest of Tiger...nation.

 

[WhitUp]

interesting article, even mentions big 12 thinking about going to 16 teams if mizzou stays.

West Virginia lined up to leave Big East for Big 12 - NYPOST.com

 

[Mizzoulander]

My insight is this...you see a conspiracey under every rock. Since the schools own their own tier three rights there isn't anything Texas or Oklahoma can do about it.

Please don't take offense at this comment. Why are you still here debating this issue? It seems like you would want to be celebrating with the rest of Tiger...nation.

I'm not saying UT or OU could STOP them from doing it, but they can certainly take actions (like buying the T3 rights from other TX/OK schools) that would thwart the development of the B12 Network and keep it from being successful. Why WOULDN'T they do that, especially if it helps the LHN/Sooner Network at the same time? Each has a LOT of airtime to fill.

I am celebrating too...we're happy that this saga is (almost) over. But I'm not going to come over to CF and do a victory dance. Visiting teams should respect the board.

Plus, I still want the B12 to be successful, even if Missouri's not in it. It's good for college sports.

 

[ISUAgronomist]

But I'm not going to come over to CF and do a victory dance.

Why don't you just leave now? Your posts will not be missed.

 

[brett108]

Are UT and OU going to stand by and let the remaining 8 (?) teams band together with their Tier 3 content? Especially if it threatens their investment?

The creation of a Big 12 network just doesn't seem that likely, given the obstacles. I know some have said, "Compete and drive the LHN out of business." But how realistic is that? Consider the leverage Texas has over the conference.

If they (LHN and Sooner Networks) offer TTU, Baylor and/or OKSt. time slots for their games on the network, will they turn them down? (they'll certainly have the room)

If they don't, then the Big 12 network exists on Tier 3 games from the remainder of the North and WVU. What cable/sat provider would carry that? And how would other sports (like MBB) work?

No flames...does someone have some insights on this?

Wow, that is just plain dumb. Only the top schools can monetize their Tier 3 content now huh?

You need to stay out of here. We all know Mizzou wants to say they are leaving because the Big 12 is falling apart, but the conference is not. So all your trying to find weakness is just grasping at straws, trying to make your move make sense. But the move doesn't, and anyone witha brain sees it. The fact is with this one conversation alone the Big 12 is farther along to banding together the rest of the teams into a network than the SEC is with their Tier 3 alotment.

Go to the SEC and have fun losing. And your academic aspirations can go down with your football program. The Big 12 will grab WVU, and whoever else they want from the Big East, and we will continue to survive. You will fall into obscurity, which is a just reward for the blatant incompetance that your administration and fans are showing.

 

[Die4Cy]

Why don't you just leave now? Your posts will not be missed.

Part of the justification for Mizzou people is that they must create scenarios where the Big 12 is guaranteed to fail as a football conference. Consideration of a Big 12 network run counter to that, so the justifications get sillier and sillier.

 

[Cutlass]

Are UT and OU going to stand by and let the remaining 8 (?) teams band together with their Tier 3 content? Especially if it threatens their investment?

The creation of a Big 12 network just doesn't seem that likely, given the obstacles. I know some have said, "Compete and drive the LHN out of business." But how realistic is that? Consider the leverage Texas has over the conference.

If they (LHN and Sooner Networks) offer TTU, Baylor and/or OKSt. time slots for their games on the network, will they turn them down? (they'll certainly have the room)

If they don't, then the Big 12 network exists on Tier 3 games from the remainder of the North and WVU. What cable/sat provider would carry that? And how would other sports (like MBB) work?

No flames...does someone have some insights on this?

I suspect there would be some compromises on this to make it work. Such as UT and OU getting 1 or 2 BigXII football games a year on their own network. But any away UT or OU games that reach tier 3 would be the property of the BigXII network. The home team always owns the tier 3 rights. I don’t think that getting this network carried will be nearly has hard as the Longhorn network, because the BigXII network will have nearly as many Texas games as the Longhorn network. Same deal for OU, plus content from the other members. I think it could work.

 

[Cutlass]

Plus if you're TTU, Baylor and/or OKSt, would you rather be a content provider to something branded Longhorn/Sooner or be a part owner and content provider for a something branded BigXII?

 

[brett108]

I suspect there would be some compromises on this to make it work. Such as UT and OU getting 1 or 2 BigXII football games a year on their own network. But any away UT or OU games that reach tier 3 would be the property of the BigXII network. The home team always owns the tier 3 rights. I don’t think that getting this network carried will be nearly has hard as the Longhorn network, because the BigXII network will have nearly as many Texas games as the Longhorn network. Same deal for OU, plus content from the other members. I think it could work.

You don't need to make good points. The Mizzou fans are trying to justify their move, and it only make sense if the Big 12 is going to cease to exist. Since that is not going to happen, their move makes no sense, and they are living up to their low education levels.

 

[Clonehomer]

Are UT and OU going to stand by and let the remaining 8 (?) teams band together with their Tier 3 content? Especially if it threatens their investment?

The creation of a Big 12 network just doesn't seem that likely, given the obstacles. I know some have said, "Compete and drive the LHN out of business." But how realistic is that? Consider the leverage Texas has over the conference.

If they (LHN and Sooner Networks) offer TTU, Baylor and/or OKSt. time slots for their games on the network, will they turn them down? (they'll certainly have the room)

If they don't, then the Big 12 network exists on Tier 3 games from the remainder of the North and WVU. What cable/sat provider would carry that? And how would other sports (like MBB) work?

No flames...does someone have some insights on this?

What actions could UT and OU have to prevent it? Each school owns it's tier 3 home games. If they want to give those rights to a network, who's to say that they can't? It will all depend on whether the LHN will want to guarantee games to TTU, Baylor, or OSU. I would assume that if the network would happen, each of the remaining 8 teams would have to sign over their tier 3 rights. Which would mean they were not available for the LHN or OU's network. Is Texas and OU going to share enough of their network money to keep the other teams from signing their tier 3 away? I doubt it.

MBB would work just as it does with football. Tier 3 games would be put on the Big12 network. During the preseason there would likely be some scheduling issues, but I would think there would be a way to work around where if a game were not picked up by the Big12 network, it would be available for local TV as it is now.

 

[sunset]

I'm not saying UT or OU could STOP them from doing it, but they can certainly take actions (like buying the T3 rights from other TX/OK schools) that would thwart the development of the B12 Network and keep it from being successful. Why WOULDN'T they do that, especially if it helps the LHN/Sooner Network at the same time? Each has a LOT of airtime to fill.

I am celebrating too...we're happy that this saga is (almost) over. But I'm not going to come over to CF and do a victory dance. Visiting teams should respect the board.

Plus, I still want the B12 to be successful, even if Missouri's not in it. It's good for college sports.

Victory dance? You are going to a conference where you are going to be destroyed at every turn and you are talking about a "victory" dance? You are like the last man in pyramid scheme, too dumb to know you've been had and can't pass it off on anybody else. When you eventually realize what's happening it's too late.

 

[Wesley]

Looks like the Big 12 might have a network, more bowl link ups, more possibilities with demise of BE, more game slots on (11am is 12 am in WVU), probably more teams than 12 even if ZOU leaves, more money by 2016, more prestige if TCU and WVU play good ball, more stability. Not bad for a league going away a month ago. Almost thinking Boise should come play fball in the league too. That would be a powerhouse of a group of fball teams that would rival LSU/Alabama.

ZOU Who?

 

[stateofmind]

Is Texas A&M Leaving Big 12? Oh yeah, that's done. Why aren't discussions about Miss Urrah on those respective threads. You guys need to put down the obsession from this thread, it's a sickness...

 

[ISUAgronomist]

Is Texas A&M Leaving Big 12? Oh yeah, that's done. Why aren't discussions about Miss Urrah on those respective threads. You guys need to put down the obsession from this thread, it's a sickness...

And yet, here you are :wink:

 

[Wesley]

Deaton is trying to squirrel the exit fee down to a pittance. Neinas response: Stick it.

Let's fill it up until we only have a 16th spot available and we need an answer tomorrow, MO, or BYU is also coming.

 

[DistrictCyclone]

Is Texas A&M Leaving Big 12? Oh yeah, that's done. Why aren't discussions about Miss Urrah on those respective threads. You guys need to put down the obsession from this thread, it's a sickness...

I applaud your (possibly unintentional) continuance of this thread.

 

[Mizzoulander]

Deaton is trying to squirrel the exit fee down to a pittance. Neinas response: Stick it.

Let's fill it up until we only have a 16th spot available and we need an answer tomorrow, MO, or BYU is also coming.

No way they'd throw them out...no buyout money.

I'd expect the exit fee to come down some. If it ends up being between $10M and $20M, that's more than either NU or CU ponied up. Nobody ever pays full buyout amounts (about $26M, I think).

The alternative is a lame duck 2012, where you're sharing TV revenue, bowl spots, etc. with a team that doesn't want to be there. Nobody wants that.

 

[DistrictCyclone]

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I'd expect the exit fee to come down some. If it ends up being between $10M and $20M, that's more than either NU or CU ponied up. Nobody ever pays full buyout amounts (about $26M, I think).

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Nobody ever leaves with just 8 months' notice, either. Read the bylaws already (they still teach readin' at Missery, right?).

 

[VeloClone]

No way they'd throw them out...no buyout money.

I'd expect the exit fee to come down some. If it ends up being between $10M and $20M, that's more than either NU or CU ponied up. Nobody ever pays full buyout amounts (about $26M, I think).

The alternative is a lame duck 2012, where you're sharing TV revenue, bowl spots, etc. with a team that doesn't want to be there. Nobody wants that.

I can guarantee that it would be much more miserable for Misery, her athletes and her fans than the rest of the Big 12. I think if they want out they should be a little more motivated than saying nobody ever pays full buyout. I can only imagine a full year of games, matches and meets against of the rest of the Big 12 when you have one foot out the door.

I wouldn't take any road trips if I were you.

 

[Mizzoulander]

Nobody ever leaves with just 8 months' notice, either. Read the bylaws already (they still teach readin' at Missery, right?).

In the grad school. :smile:

Seriously, how much do you think Mizzou (and TAMU) will pay for the buyout (assuming they're gone for 2012)? We're in the 90% window right now (6-12 months notice). 90% of the remaining 2 year's worth of revenue is about $26M. So say that's the upper figure.

NU and CU paid roughly half of what they were contractually required to pay. Why? To avoid litigation. Neither side wanted to drag this out.

Holding MU and TAMU to the same standard, that means a negotiated buyout in the $13M range. Could be a little higher, or a little lower. I'll stand with $10M to $20M. Do you think it will be higher?

Q: Why is leaving the Big 12 so expensive?
A: Because it's WORTH it!

(old joke...I know.) :smile: