*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

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CycloneWanderer

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I think once the SEC took TAMU, every team understood that there would need to be scheduling accomodations - it's not really like Missouri by itself is messing that up. In fact, its the SEC that is driving the timeline - you just can't design a 2-division, 13-team schedule that meets every conference member's needs.

This is not a "we can't make up our mind thing." This is a bureaucratic process thing. And I don't think the SEC is in the dark about it. Quite the opposite...they know our intentions, and what we plan to do.

And I'm not naive...if they COULD develop a 13-team schedule, then we probably don't get an invite right now. The SEC isn't saying, "We HAVE to have Missouri." This is the SEC saying, "We want TAMU, and we need another nearby team that opens up new markets, can be competitive, and is available as quickly and with as few complications as possible...and WANTS to be here."

Fortunately, that's us. I have to shake my head at folks who say, "Missouri will always have options with their TV market." No we won't. Not like this.

Do you really think you will be even close to an equal conference partner for the next 10 years in the SEC? If you start getting killed during that time, do you think you will still have "options?"
 

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Dear Missouri: Eat ****

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P.S. Have fun in the SEC while getting your *** kicked!!
 

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Why does Missouri think they are all of that and the bag of whores they are!!! Just get your stank out of our conference already I will not miss your cry baby attitude.
 

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Big 12 school source says league is still debating Louisville vs. West Virginia as a replacement when Missouri leaves for the SEC.
 
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According to a tweet from Gabe DeArmond earlier today, Chancellor Deaton anticipates that any move would be for the 2012 season (same as TAMU, which makes sense b/c of the 13-team scheduling problem).

So this IS the farewell tour. ISU had its shot at Mizzou last week.

Like I've said earlier, I don't understand how Missouri can: 1) follow the letter of the Big 12 bylaws regarding withdrawal; 2) meet every applicable deadline for notifying the conference; and 3) pay whatever buyout fee is negotiated, and THEN get sued by teams because they don't have enough time to find replacements.

The problem is with the bylaws, not with Missouri. Plead with Texas to change the rules.

Then just plug in some FCS team. Of course, if you lose and miss out on a bowl game, I'm sure you'll want to sue us for that, too. :smile:

I'm guessing that each game is governed by an agreement/MOU/contract that stipulates conditions in addition to the conference bylaws, and I imagine that one of the more salient points in such an agreement would be damages in the event of one party's cancellation. Missery backing out of a scheduled game imposes a cost on the team they were supposed to play, who now has to scramble to find an opponent a month after everything was supposed to be locked down. Athletic departments likely make financial decisions based upon revenue expectations from the game. TV might be involved. Bottom line is that it could be tantamount to breach of contract, in which case the offending party should be expected to compensate the other.

And "just plug in some FCS team" is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Even though Missery has the most over-inflated ego in the NCAA, they're not replaceable with an FCS squad. A game against an FCS team is guaranteed not to be on television, and unless it's an in-state team, probably won't even draw much of a crowd, so there's an economic element to it.

It's almost as if Missery is dragging this whole thing out as long as possible because their feelings are still hurt about being jilted by the Big Ten for Nebraska. You're like the girl who just got dumped/rejected and takes every possible opportunity to flaunt her new boyfriend around in front of the guy who broke up with her (or wouldn't ask her out).
 

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I'm guessing that each game is governed by an agreement/MOU/contract that stipulates conditions in addition to the conference bylaws, and I imagine that one of the more salient points in such an agreement would be damages in the event of one party's cancellation. Missery backing out of a scheduled game imposes a cost on the team they were supposed to play, who now has to scramble to find an opponent a month after everything was supposed to be locked down. Athletic departments likely make financial decisions based upon revenue expectations from the game. TV might be involved. Bottom line is that it could be tantamount to breach of contract, in which case the offending party should be expected to compensate the other.

And "just plug in some FCS team" is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Even though Missery has the most over-inflated ego in the NCAA, they're not replaceable with an FCS squad. A game against an FCS team is guaranteed not to be on television, and unless it's an in-state team, probably won't even draw much of a crowd, so there's an economic element to it.

It's almost as if Missery is dragging this whole thing out as long as possible because their feelings are still hurt about being jilted by the Big Ten for Nebraska. You're like the girl who just got dumped/rejected and takes every possible opportunity to flaunt her new boyfriend around in front of the guy who broke up with her (or wouldn't ask her out).

I can't really speak to the legal implications of each conference game...I just really don't know. Has any other withdrawing team (NU, CU, VaTech, BC, Miami, etc.) ever been successfully sued for that? I don't remember the timelines, but I don't think ANY of them had a lame duck period for more than a year.

Plus, if a new team (like L-ville) is added to the conference, in all likelihood they would take Missouri's scheduling slot, especially if there were no divisions to consider. In that event, how could they prove damages?

Seems like sour grapes...but I guess sour grapes is what fills the nation's courtrooms.

I'll say again, just because nothing is being reported, there is a LOT going on. Nobody is "dragging this out."
 

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I can't really speak to the legal implications of each conference game...I just really don't know. Has any other withdrawing team (NU, CU, VaTech, BC, Miami, etc.) ever been successfully sued for that? I don't remember the timelines, but I don't think ANY of them had a lame duck period for more than a year.

Plus, if a new team (like L-ville) is added to the conference, in all likelihood they would take Missouri's scheduling slot, especially if there were no divisions to consider. In that event, how could they prove damages?

Seems like sour grapes...but I guess sour grapes is what fills the nation's courtrooms.

I'll say again, just because nothing is being reported, there is a LOT going on. Nobody is "dragging this out."

ONCE AGAIN the suit is to make sure you pay EVERY PENNY of the exit fee. You are not going to negotiate it down. You will not have a leg to stand on. Be prepared to PAY and PAY BIG.
 
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I can't really speak to the legal implications of each conference game...I just really don't know. Has any other withdrawing team (NU, CU, VaTech, BC, Miami, etc.) ever been successfully sued for that? I don't remember the timelines, but I don't think ANY of them had a lame duck period for more than a year.

Plus, if a new team (like L-ville) is added to the conference, in all likelihood they would take Missouri's scheduling slot, especially if there were no divisions to consider. In that event, how could they prove damages?

Seems like sour grapes...but I guess sour grapes is what fills the nation's courtrooms.

I'll say again, just because nothing is being reported, there is a LOT going on. Nobody is "dragging this out."

At least when NU and CU bailed, they did it 5 months sooner in the year than Missery is going to, and it didn't leave us with 9 teams so we'd have to schedule another opponent.

And have you not paid any attention to what's going on in the Big East? Syracuse and Pitt probably won't be able to leave for another 2 years per Big East by-laws; what makes you think that they'd make an exception for Louisville, Cincinnati, or WVU? If Missery is gone for 2012, we're probably not going to have the luxury of just slipping in Louisville.

If nobody is dragging this out, then tell me why we added TCU, the ACC added Pitt and Syracuse, the PAC added CU and Utah, and the Big Ten added NU all in about 1/8 of the time it's taken Missery to figure out whether they're going to **** or get off the pot? Maybe some of those deals were well in the works before the conferences pulled the trigger, but at least they kept that information from going public so it wouldn't agonize fans for months and create a huge distraction in the middle of the season.
 

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Give them 1 week.

If they don't accept, charge them 2 years revenue and call the next team in.

Right now they are sitting at 90% of 2-years worth of revenue distributions if they leave this summer.

2-year notice = forfeit of 50% of 2-year revenue (or number of years until withdraw if greater than 2 years)
<2-years but >18-months = forfeit of 70% of 2-year revenue equivalent
<18-months but >12-months = forfeit of 80% of 2-year revenue equivalent
<12-months but >6-months = forfeit of 90% of 2-year revenue equivalent
<6-months notice = forfeit of 100% of 2-year revenue equivalent



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At least when NU and CU bailed, they did it 5 months sooner in the year than Missery is going to, and it didn't leave us with 9 teams so we'd have to schedule another opponent.

And have you not paid any attention to what's going on in the Big East? Syracuse and Pitt probably won't be able to leave for another 2 years per Big East by-laws; what makes you think that they'd make an exception for Louisville, Cincinnati, or WVU? If Missery is gone for 2012, we're probably not going to have the luxury of just slipping in Louisville.

If nobody is dragging this out, then tell me why we added TCU, the ACC added Pitt and Syracuse, the PAC added CU and Utah, and the Big Ten added NU all in about 1/8 of the time it's taken Missery to figure out whether they're going to **** or get off the pot? Maybe some of those deals were well in the works before the conferences pulled the trigger, but at least they kept that information from going public so it wouldn't agonize fans for months and create a huge distraction in the middle of the season.

Couple of things I disagree with:

First, adding TCU is a cinch, compared to just about any other team. Why? First, they're between conferences right now, and the buyout or waiting periods don't apply. Second, they're a private religiously affiliated school. They don't answer to taxpayers or gov't officials, and they aren't required to make their dealings public.

I know some think that there is a decision to be made by Mizzou, but it's already BEEN made. It was made before the Curators gave Deaton permission to look around a few weeks ago. Now it's just a process of making sure that the move is executed according to Big 12 bylaws, open records laws, and the SEC's liking.

That's about 2 months from when it was first reported to when the University publically acknowledged their decision. I wouldn't call that "dragging it out."

Let's be realistic: fan impatience with the decision making process is NOT a consideration for any school.
 
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