*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[HFCS]

Surprise Twist:SEC invites Baylor to be #14 in order to shut them the hell up!

The conference could use another winnable game. Even Mississippi State is really good right now.

 

[DRCHIRO]

If UT decides to convert the LHN to some sort of Big12 Net ( call it the Longhorn/Big12 Network), I wonder how things would play out? Would it come down to actual percentage split of air time between the schools with UT still getting a plurality of time? Perhaps something along these lines:

UT -- 30%
OU -- 25%
OSU -- 15%
MU -- 15%
The remaining 5 -- 25% (5% each)
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Just a contemplation of how LH/B12 airtime could be split with the network money split along those lines as well.

The revenue sharing model that we were going to use going forward did not upset me because Iowa State was going to make a lot more money than we have been making.

Going forward, the only way the Big 12 would work is to turn the LHN into a conference network and split all revenues equally, like the b1g. That setup keeps everything equal and creates stability.

Yes, Texas brings more value to the conference but every other conference has schools that bring more than others. The current model, which seemed great to begin with, is obviously a gigantic failure and rubs people the wrong way.

The other 8 need to put it all on the line, all or nothing. If OU is not in favor of the setup, the conference is ****ed anyways.

The most frustrating thing throughout this whole process is the Big 12 can see what models work. Follow their guidelines and all will be well. The LHN will not work anywhere and other conferences would be crazy to allow Texas to join and have their own special rules.

 

[alarson]

If baylor is being pushed by the big 12 to agree not to sue the SEC, the big 12 teams need to put it in writing that theyre staying long-term with financial guarantees. Baylor would be insane to give up its right to sue the SEC if the conference is going to collapse.

If we find out we dont have a good landing spot i'll be pretty ****** to find out we're not right alongside baylor on this.

 

[Stormin]

Baylor may be the one publically not waiving their right to sue but who knows if there are others now. I would bet that all schools waived the right a few weeks ago when the remaining 9 were all tightly "committed" to each other. And now that they aren't, it only makes sense that teams are backing out of their no-sue agreement.

I don't think this means ISU has a safe landing spot because the best spot for us (revenue-wise) right now is the Big 12.

Key words there. The Big East negotiates on their TV Contracts next. If the Big 12 folds I fully expect the Big East to fill a major part of that vacuum. The Big East IMO would pick up the remnants of the Big 12. I am not sure that Mizzou would go that route if they had a choice. More likely go to the SEC as I do not think the Big 10 is an option. Big Ten is holding out for ND. Baylor is completely screwed. They are looking at the WAC or MWC at best and they know it.

Yes. The Big 12 is the best option for ISU. Always has been. But the option of a Big East (without a Big 12) is not as bad as the Big East with a Big 12 option. IMO, we are Big East bound. Mizzou and ISU both want Big 10. But doubtful that either will get the call. And then there is the issue that the Big 10 will insist on having different tiers for new members making it a bad deal.

 

[Wesley]

Baylor is essentially acting as the legal arm for the Longhorns (and for $)

Interesting that the North teams agreed to the waiver w/o making a stink.

All must have landing spots. ISU has been esp quiet.

Being a private school, they do not have to worry about state legislators. The state will lose $5M a year for education if the LHN folds also.

 

[MNCyGuy]

MWC should just try and make Baylor an offer they can't refuse right now. Baylor could fill the void that TCU is leaving in that conference.

 

[Wesley]

Key words there. The Big East negotiates on their TV Contracts next. If the Big 12 folds I fully expect the Big East to fill a major part of that vacuum. The Big East IMO would pick up the remnants of the Big 12. I am not sure that Mizzou would go that route if they had a choice. More likely go to the SEC as I do not think the Big 10 is an option. Big Ten is holding out for ND. Baylor is completely screwed. They are looking at the WAC or MWC at best and they know it.

Yes. The Big 12 is the best option for ISU. Always has been. But the option of a Big East (without a Big 12) is not as bad as the Big East with a Big 12 option. IMO, we are Big East bound. Mizzou and ISU both want Big 10. But doubtful that either will get the call. And then there is the issue that the Big 10 will insist on having different tiers for new members making it a bad deal.

Remember the BE needs an answer by 1 Nov since their contract is in play this year. It may not matter as much next year if someone else tries to bolt. The BE may be more stable by next year ...or not.

 

[Wesley]

MWC should just try and make Baylor an offer they can't refuse right now. Baylor could fill the void that TCU is leaving in that conference.

Offer them a Baylor Bear Network plus joining MWC Network? Not the same. Less money. Less prestige. Baylor is a #20 team now. They just beat TCU.

 

[alarson]

from chip:

10 AM - Was just told by two Big 12 administrators the SEC now wants all nine schools in the Big 12 to sign a waiver saying they will not sue the Southeastern Conference over the depature of Texas A&M to the SEC.

And I'm told the Big 12 schools will not sign those waivers.

Texas A&M has confirmed to Orangebloods.com that a celebration planned for today in College Station to announce Texas A&M as the 13th member has been postponed indefinitely until the threat of litigation can be resolved.

"At this time, we do not intend on making an announcement today," said A&M spokesman Jason Cook. "But the situation is extremely fluid."

Things could get sticky because a letter on Sept. 2 from Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe to SEC commissioner Mike Slive said that the Big 12 would waive the right to any litigation against the SEC as long as he Aggies were members of the SEC by 5 p.m. on Sept. 8 (Thursday).

Beebe sent a letter back to Slive on Tuesday saying the waiver in that Sept. 2 letter applied only to the Big 12 Conference and was not binding to the Big 12's member schools.

The SEC was contacted on Tuesday by lawyers representing Baylor that BU did not intend to waive its right to sue the SEC, sources said.

The SEC then admitted Texas A&M as the 13th member of the conference contingent upon the SEC being released from any legal liability by the nine member schools in the Big 12.

And I'm being told there's no way all the schools will sign such a waiver.

Stay tuned.

 

[MNCyGuy]

Aggies go independent?

 

[azepp]

That sure makes it sound like there may be more than one Big XII school that isn't willing to sign a waiver.

 

[Die4Cy]

IF we go to the BigEast, I would like to see ISU kick everyone's ***** in football and basketball just to shut up the ISU naysayers across the nation that have shown an egegious lack of respect to Iowa State University.

If this realignment drama can't put a little extra fire under our coaches and players *****, I don't know what can. I'm confident they'll deliver.

AND DONORS/SEASON TICKET PURCHASERS.

Hopefully, knowing that we are never guaranteed a BCS spot in the current situation encourages more alumni support for our school and its teams.

 

[Doc]

from chip:

BOOM, Lawyered!

 

[nj829]

this entire thing has provided a ton of entertainment. The movie is going to be awesome when it comes out.

 

[IowaCYcler]

from chip:

LOL!!!!!!

SEC lawyers missed that one, until it was to late. This will get very interesting.

 

[hawkfan]

LOL...so the Big 12 is just going to remain one, big, dysfunctional, unhappy family. Classic.

 

[hawkfan]

I'm not a lawyer, so this may be a dumb question, but how sound of a legal foundation would a lawyer have trying to bring suit against the SEC - on a realistic basis.

 

[alarson]

this entire thing has provided a ton of entertainment. The movie is going to be awesome when it comes out.

A Beebe book should be interesting. I'm ready to order it and some crayons to color in the pictures.

 

[weR138]

LOL...so the Big 12 is just going to remain one, big, dysfunctional, unhappy family. Classic.

LOL, you're a hawk ****worm. Take it to HN and have a boner jam with Jon Miller.

 

[CycloneErik]

If baylor is being pushed by the big 12 to agree not to sue the SEC, the big 12 teams need to put it in writing that theyre staying long-term with financial guarantees. Baylor would be insane to give up its right to sue the SEC if the conference is going to collapse.

If we find out we dont have a good landing spot i'll be pretty ****** to find out we're not right alongside baylor on this.

At that point, it would be JPs greatest failure. Nothing could really rival it.