Rhoads' Contract

[Stormin]

I personally haven't actually determined anything, I was merely pointing out the flaw in your jumping on Erik and putting words in his mouth. However, if one had determined that, they'd then have to decide whether they were wrong, or whether they felt that season was a fluke. Rational people can do that. Re-evaluate based on new circumstances, and *gasp* even possibly admit that they were wrong.

Honestly, part of the reason that I haven't determined anything yetis because right wrong or indifferent, he's probably getting a year or 2 more after this one. The other part is that we're one game into a season, so let's not flip a wig yet...although I'm less than satisfied with Saturday. However, again, if someone had determined they didn't think he'd ever get it done, they still wouldn't necessarily be directly calling for his firing, since that'd have some pretty bad financial implications for the AD.

LOL. You are the one interpreting that Erik meant other than what he obviously posted. You do NOT make a statement to a fan base if you are the AD that we have the wrong man for the job but we are going to keep this wrong guy because the AD gave him a very long contract extension.

What you do is to STFU if you plan on really doing NOTHING. Because you are going to do nothing. You do NOT go around posting the stuff you are posting if you plan on doing nothing. At least you can be consistent and say that you want to see what happens and how this year and next year play out without all the negativity. Especially when you will obviously backpedal if he is successful.

 

[Stormin]

No, but continuing to fire coaches isn't the way to handle it either. Especially when you owe the coach a boatload of a buyout.

For me, let's see how this season plays out. If its as we all expect, I'm ready for a 2015 or bust season with CPR.

The sensible ones are saying he has this and next at the very least and we need to see how things go. It is the naysayers who are calling for his head and then backtracking and saying they really aren't calling for him to be fired. And then say in the next breath that if 2015 has success they will backpedal and say he should be coach again.

 

[Stormin]

We are 0-2 in our last 2 FCS games.

And 2-0 in our last two Big 12 Conference Games.

 

[Land Grant]

The sensible ones are saying he has this and next at the very least and we need to see how things go. It is the naysayers who are calling for his head and then backtracking and saying they really aren't calling for him to be fired. And then say in the next breath that if 2015 has success they will backpedal and say he should be coach again.

Actually, I believe the truly sensible ones would be saying that all options are on the table from this point forward. I can foresee scenarios where PR is fired late in the season or at its end. I can also imagine circumstances where he's given more time.

At this point, the least likely scenario is a dramatic turnaround that makes the uncertainty about PR go away entirely.

 

[Stormin]

Actually, I believe the truly sensible ones would be saying that all options are on the table from this point forward. I can foresee scenarios where PR is fired late in the season or at its end. I can also imagine circumstances where he's given more time.

At this point, the least likely scenario is a dramatic turnaround that makes the uncertainty about PR go away entirely.

There is no scenario where CPR is fired late in the season. That is not a realistic option. For one thing we have the makings of a pretty good recruiting class that you will just totally flush down the drain.

 

[Wesley]

Not sure if you are serious. 2003 was anything but fun. 2004 and 2005 seasons had some success because of a terrible division and weak schedule. But it was not fun watching those teams **** a lot of wins down their leg. And the 2006 season was not fun either. Not sure what reality you are in.

Suffering a 2003/2013 season would not be so bad if a 2005/2015 was coming. Not sure if we are recruiting to make this happen.

 

[Wesley]

The sensible ones are saying he has this and next at the very least and we need to see how things go. It is the naysayers who are calling for his head and then backtracking and saying they really aren't calling for him to be fired. And then say in the next breath that if 2015 has success they will backpedal and say he should be coach again.

No reason to fire him. That would cost a ton. It would not look very good to anyone. Yet he needs to pull this team together and do a better job. Not going to be very happy if we get blown out of 5 or 6 games this year. Sixth year coaches need to get the job done.

 

[Stormin]

What we really need is those easy schedules and not playing Texas and Oklahoma.

 

[Stormin]

No reason to fire him. That would cost a ton. It would not look very good to anyone. Yet he needs to pull this team together and do a better job. Not going to be very happy if we get blown out of 5 or 6 games this year. Sixth year coaches need to get the job done.

DMac was in his 9th year when we had a winless conference record.

 

[Land Grant]

There is no scenario where CPR is fired late in the season. That is not a realistic option. For one thing we have the makings of a pretty good recruiting class that you will just totally flush down the drain.

You're right in the sense that Pollard has always waited til season's end to change coaches. But given the stakes with the new stadium investment, Pollard has too much at risk to keep a coach that has become caustic to the fan base. Rhoads, IMO, is getting closer. Or PR might limp into 2015.

 

[roundball]

I personally haven't actually determined anything, I was merely pointing out the flaw in your jumping on Erik and putting words in his mouth. However, if one had determined that, they'd then have to decide whether they were wrong, or whether they felt that season was a fluke. Rational people can do that. Re-evaluate based on new circumstances, and *gasp* even possibly admit that they were wrong.

Honestly, part of the reason that I haven't determined anything yetis because right wrong or indifferent, he's probably getting a year or 2 more after this one. The other part is that we're one game into a season, so let's not flip a wig yet...although I'm less than satisfied with Saturday. However, again, if someone had determined they didn't think he'd ever get it done, they still wouldn't necessarily be directly calling for his firing, since that'd have some pretty bad financial implications for the AD.

LOL. You are the one interpreting that Erik meant other than what he obviously posted. You do NOT make a statement to a fan base if you are the AD that we have the wrong man for the job but we are going to keep this wrong guy because the AD gave him a very long contract extension.

What you do is to STFU if you plan on really doing NOTHING. Because you are going to do nothing. You do NOT go around posting the stuff you are posting if you plan on doing nothing. At least you can be consistent and say that you want to see what happens and how this year and next year play out without all the negativity. Especially when you will obviously backpedal if he is successful.

You two sound like a couple of divorced parents arguing about what's best for little Erik while he cries in his room and wishes that you could both just get along.

 

[Bret44]

Here is where I am at: From what I have seen is that PR's best years have been with Chiziks recruits. The best OLman we have had in the last 6 years were Chizik's. The biggest thing this team needs to be successful is having an OL that isn't as porous as vermiculite. IF we can somehow get Campos and Curtis in there this year and see what they can do then I will be sold on giving him 1 more year. If we don't see any OL improvement we are just going to keep going where we are headed. (Offensive side only, I don't want to think about the Defense, which is PR's "specialty")

 

[Stormin]

You're right in the sense that Pollard has always waited til season's end to change coaches. But given the stakes with the new stadium investment, Pollard has too much at risk to keep a coach that has become caustic to the fan base. Rhoads, IMO, is getting closer. Or PR might limp into 2015.

If that is the case, then Mark Mangino failed miserably as an OC. Our other coaches failed miserably as well.

What coach do you anticipate getting that will fire up the fanbase at that point? IMO, you will have pretty good ticket sales because of the stadium expansion and with Iowa and UNI on the schedule. People will turn out.

But honestly, I think that our coaches will get some things turned around and at least win games at the end of the season. Our schedule is front loaded in terms of difficulty.

 

[Stormin]

Here is where I am at: From what I have seen is that PR's best years have been with Chiziks recruits. The best OLman we have had in the last 6 years were Chizik's. The biggest thing this team needs to be successful is having an OL that isn't as porous as vermiculite. IF we can somehow get Campos and Curtis in there this year and see what they can do then I will be sold on giving him 1 more year. If we don't see any OL improvement we are just going to keep going where we are headed. (Offensive side only, I don't want to think about the Defense, which is PR's "specialty")

Except Chizik could only win 3 games and then 2 games his two seasons here. So what's up with that?

 

[CycloneErik]

How is that relevant to our struggles against everyone else?

 

[Tornado man]

Let's deal with benchmarks. Say we go 0-6 or 1-5. What then? Worry that badmouthing the coach might cost us recruits? This is year 6 people. This is when coaches are supposed to be hitting their stride. CPR did better with Mac's and Chizik's recruits than his own.

Fixed it for you. Here's a list of Mac's recruits who STARTED for Rhoads in his first year, 2009 (his best year). How many would start today? CPR can thank his lucky stars for the talent Mac left him - it's better than what he has now:

James Smith
Austen Arnaud
Alexander Robinson
Rashawn Parker
Fred Garrin
Jesse Smith
Nate Frere
Marquis Hamilton
Austin Alburtis
Reggie Stephens
Ben Lemaak
Michael Brandtner
Zac Sandvig
Justin Rumple
Michael O'Connell

 

[Gossamer]

I'm don't care what you do. I really don't but if a guy who is a college graduate and can afford tickets decides not to don't expect me to put any effort in listening to your opinion. I don't care that you are an alum. Somebody that doesn't care enough to support the team by investing into it by purchasing tickets I'm not going to take seriously. You've got a million posts on CF so I know I won't stop you I just thought calling someone out for trying to bring perspective and was just tired of all the ******** while not even being a season ticket holder was bush league.

I'll also say this as a fellow father...you are flat out missing the best time in the next 18 years to go to games. Baby's don't have flag football games, soccer games, traveling softball tournaments. It only gets harder from here to get to games...that I'll promise you.

So then allow me to call you out.When are you going to answer my question? What is your contribution aside from being a ticket holder? How about this...let's compare AGI and NW...maybe we should, based on your logic, only take people seriously if they are in a certain tax bracket. I don't care if a guy as a million posts or one. If he's a fan, if he's an alum, if he's invested time, he can have an opinion. The only opinion that I don't see counting is that of a person like you who apparently feels his is the only one that matters...and that for some reason, you're more entitled to it because you have tickets?

I'll say this as a father to a fellow father, you had better hope your kids are making some bucks...or in your world, they don't stand a chance.

Now, unless you have the brass to share your monetary contribution and put it out there for everyone to see and appreciate, I'd kindly ask you to stop using money as your barometer for commenting.

 

[BryceC]

Barring an 0-fer season I think everybody knows rhoads will be back even if they don't want him to be. I'm not going to call for him to be fired but if Iowa State isn't in a bowl in 2015, I'm giving up my season tickets as a no brainer, there would be so many cheap ones on stubhub and deals in 2016 that getting season tickets will no longer be worth it.

 

[Stormin]

So then allow me to call you out.When are you going to answer my question? What is your contribution aside from being a ticket holder? How about this...let's compare AGI and NW...maybe we should, based on your logic, only take people seriously if they are in a certain tax bracket. I don't care if a guy as a million posts or one. If he's a fan, if he's an alum, if he's invested time, he can have an opinion. The only opinion that I don't see counting is that of a person like you who apparently feels his is the only one that matters...and that for some reason, you're more entitled to it because you have tickets?

I'll say this as a father to a fellow father, you had better hope your kids are making some bucks...or in your world, they don't stand a chance.

Now, unless you have the brass to share your monetary contribution and put it out there for everyone to see and appreciate, I'd kindly ask you to stop using money as your barometer for commenting.

Congrats on your 14th post. ALL in this thread. All negative towards CPR. And ALL posted since yesterday at 10:05 am. 14 posts in less than 32 hours. So tell us how much you are suffering and have suffered with CPR as our Coach.

 

[Bret44]

Except Chizik could only win 3 games and then 2 games his two seasons here. So what's up with that?

I do not think Chizik is a good coach. I like PR a lot better than Genie Boy, but the facts are the facts. PR's recruits are now the upperclassman, and have been for 2 years, and we see the results. If Rhoads' OL don't turnout we are in for a bad year next year as well.