REPORT: Top 4 expansion candidates

[fsanford]

Cincy is in B1G territory. Other than BYU, they also have the most loyal fanbase of the current candidates. I'd love to see a Big XII flag planted in Bucky's front yard.

I would not hate it, but liking that FedEx sponsorship, not sure what kind of number they pay, but I am sure it could be pretty significant.

Still think Texas, will drop a grenade on this, and come June, we will all be talking about how the Big 12 will be parsed up in a few years, and hoping ISU does not get relegated to the kids table.

 

[Beyerball]

FIFY.

The reason why Rutgers gives the Big Ten access to NYC is because they are actually physically located in the #1 NYC TV Market, UConn is not. Therefore, UConn does not give the Big 12 access to the NYC market. UConn is physically located in the #30 Hartford & New Haven market. That is a fact. That is non-negotiable.

In 2016, UConn is #30 with 0.834% of the TV sets in the US (DOWN from 0.851% in 2015).
In 2016, Cincy is #36 with 0.767% of the TV sets in the US (DOWN from 0.770% in 2015).
Combined, Cincy & UConn add 1,814,150 TV households.

In 2016, the Chicago TV market is #3 with 3.067% of the TV sets in the US (UP from 3.055% in 2015). Alone it has 3,475,220 TV households or 1,661,070 MORE TV households than Cincy & UConn COMBINED.

Stop with UConn.

The only Top 20 TV markets located in the Heartland (which I'm defining as west of the Great Lakes up to the Rockies) not covered by the Big 12 are:

• #3 Chicago
• #15 Minneapolis (which is unattainable because Minny isn't leaving the Big Ten)
• #17 Denver

Here would be the ranking of TV markets in the Big 12 if it added the 2 available Top 20 markets:

#3 Chicago
#5 Dallas
#10 Houston
#17 Denver
#23 Pittsburgh
#32 San Antonio
#33 Kansas City
#39 Austin
#43 Oklahoma City

Morgantown, WV is officially located in the Pittsburgh TV market (in case anyone was wondering).

This is completely false..half of Uconn sits in the NYC tv market. Rutgers had nothing to do with the NYC market..the BIG has the NJ market. Why do U think some have thought the BIG might look at Uconn. Every analyst talking about expansion and Uconn mentions the NYC market...I guess they are all wrong and you are right

 

[ShopTalk]

ESPN says Texas did it!

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/111994/an-unheralded-candidate-for-big-12-expansion

 

[Beyerball]

FIFY.

The reason why Rutgers gives the Big Ten access to NYC is because they are actually physically located in the #1 NYC TV Market, UConn is not. Therefore, UConn does not give the Big 12 access to the NYC market. UConn is physically located in the #30 Hartford & New Haven market. That is a fact. That is non-negotiable.

In 2016, UConn is #30 with 0.834% of the TV sets in the US (DOWN from 0.851% in 2015).
In 2016, Cincy is #36 with 0.767% of the TV sets in the US (DOWN from 0.770% in 2015).
Combined, Cincy & UConn add 1,814,150 TV households.

In 2016, the Chicago TV market is #3 with 3.067% of the TV sets in the US (UP from 3.055% in 2015). Alone it has 3,475,220 TV households or 1,661,070 MORE TV households than Cincy & UConn COMBINED.

Stop with UConn.

The only Top 20 TV markets located in the Heartland (which I'm defining as west of the Great Lakes up to the Rockies) not covered by the Big 12 are:

• #3 Chicago
• #15 Minneapolis (which is unattainable because Minny isn't leaving the Big Ten)
• #17 Denver

Here would be the ranking of TV markets in the Big 12 if it added the 2 available Top 20 markets:

#3 Chicago
#5 Dallas
#10 Houston
#17 Denver
#23 Pittsburgh
#32 San Antonio
#33 Kansas City
#39 Austin
#43 Oklahoma City

Morgantown, WV is officially located in the Pittsburgh TV market (in case anyone was wondering).

Straight from the area own writer..you are wrong.

http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-huskies/hc-jacobs-column-uconn-big-12-0105-20160105-column.html

 

[TheBigAwesome]

Not saying I want NIU by any means, but with any school their popularity will grow to an extent if they join a P5. Especially with the resources they will add, and the win potential in the future.

This is a great point that seems to be lost on many. Another related point that also seems to be lost on people is how this relates to Cincy (and UConn).

We've already seen what Cincy/UConn can achieve with the "power member" label. When Cincy/UConn reached a BCS bowl it was due to being part of the Big East. NIU reached a BCS bowl coming from the MAC. You could argue that NIU's accomplishment was more impressive as it was far more difficult to achieve.

The three programs hit similar ceilings but since Cincy/UConn did this as part of the "privileged" and NIU did it as part of the MAC, you could also argue that NIU has a much higher growth potential/ceiling than Cincy/UConn.

What has Cincy/UConn football done since losing BCS status? Nothing. What did Cincy/UConn football ever do prior to receiving BCS status? Nothing.

Add to that the #3 TV market and improved access to Chicago area recruiting (think of the impact on basketball) and I keep coming back to the Big 12 needs Chicago.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

Starting to think TheBigAwesome is Douglas D. Baker

 

[TheBigAwesome]

Straight from the area own writer..you are wrong.

http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-huskies/hc-jacobs-column-uconn-big-12-0105-20160105-column.html

Pointing to a UConn homer who shares your flawed opinion doesn't make either of you right.

UConn is situated in Tolland County, CT. Tolland County, CT is part of the Hartford & New Haven TV DMA and only the Hartford & New Haven TV DMA.

Because part of the Chicago TV market is in Indiana it does not make Indianapolis part of the Chicago TV market.

You (and the moron who wrote the story you linked) are wrong.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

Who cares what market the school is in? The question is how they help to get a Big 12 Network on cable packages in the large markets. UConn's proximity to NYC helps with that as UConn has a pretty decent presence in NYC relatively speaking (NYC is not a college sports city). NIU's proximity to Chicago probably doesn't help because no one in Chicago gives two s***s about NIU.

 

[TheBigAwesome]

Starting to think TheBigAwesome is Douglas D. Baker

Ha ha. I had to look up who that is.



And...no.

 

[Beyerball]

This is a great point that seems to be lost on many. Another related point that also seems to be lost on people is how this relates to Cincy (and UConn).

We've already seen what Cincy/UConn can achieve with the "power member" label. When Cincy/UConn reached a BCS bowl it was due to being part of the Big East. NIU reached a BCS bowl coming from the MAC. You could argue that NIU's accomplishment was more impressive as it was far more difficult to achieve.

The three programs hit similar ceilings but since Cincy/UConn did this as part of the "privileged" and NIU did it as part of the MAC, you could also argue that NIU has a much higher growth potential/ceiling than Cincy/UConn.

What has Cincy/UConn football done since losing it's BCS status? Nothing. What did Cincy/UConn football ever do prior to receiving BCS status? Nothing.

Add to that the #3 TV market and improved access to Chicago area recruiting (think of the impact on basketball) and I keep coming back to the Big 12 needs Chicago.

Lol...you told me that Uconn isn't part of the NYC market which is blatantly false yet you advocate NIU as being in Chicago Market..lol. Do you know how many people and Alum from Uconn living in NYC watch Uconn men's and women's bball? Prob 10x more than Chicago people watching NIU football.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Best choices right now IMO are UCONN, Temple, UCF, Cincinnati. That satisfies all the stupid greed that caused this in the first place. Strong basketball conference, and the football teams for each of these schools has had flashes of success in the past. All I care about is keeping ISU in the 'Power 5'.

On another note this thread is depressing.

 

[gnarlyboy]

Who cares what market the school is in? The question is how they help to get a Big 12 Network on cable packages in the large markets. UConn's proximity to NYC helps with that as UConn has a pretty decent presence in NYC relatively speaking (NYC is not a college sports city). NIU's proximity to Chicago probably doesn't help because no one in Chicago gives two s***s about NIU.

don't dispute anybody on this subject, but I've always thought ND had most Chicago locked up, and the b10 certainly already has some appreciable presence there as well. lots of b10 alums in chicago. b10 headquartered in chicago. b10 has a team in chicago.

 

[Clone2Dbone]

I seem to recall ISU playing against UConn in NYC a couple years ago, and it appeared as though they had a decent following.

 

[Beyerball]

From the blog post linked above:


Second best.

#3 Chicago is the best available TV market.

Clearly a NIU alum..there is zero chance NIU enters this conf...Id bet money they aren't even on a list of top 10.

 

[Beyerball]

I seem to recall ISU playing against UConn in NYC a couple years ago, and it appeared as though they had a decent following.

Think they played in a BCS bowl too? I guess I didn't think about Temple..philly market is huge too. I realize the options aren't great but this is about survival folks and all that matters right now is $$ and TV sets...that's it.

 

[RustShack]

The thing with TV is its starting to run into the problem news papers have been having. With technology and streaming, more and more people are canceling cable/satellite.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

Clearly a NIU alum..there is zero chance NIU enters this conf...Id bet money they aren't even on a list of top 10.

UConn
Cincinnati
Memphis
Houston
BYU
Colorado State
Boise State
UCF
USF
East Carolina
Tulane

You are right, there is no way that NIU is in the top 10 for Big 12 expansion and I could probably keep going and they wouldn't make the top 15 either

 

[im4cyru]

ick. why, why, why would BYU and UConn ever be in the same conference?

Now stop that! This is no place for logic!

 

[TheBigAwesome]

This is completely false..half of Uconn sits in the NYC tv market. Rutgers had nothing to do with the NYC market..the BIG has the NJ market. Why do U think some have thought the BIG might look at Uconn. Every analyst talking about expansion and Uconn mentions the NYC market...I guess they are all wrong and you are right

LOL.

This is completely false..

Wrong, it's completely accurate.

..half of Uconn sits in the NYC tv market.

Wrong. All of UConn sits in the Hartford TV market.

Rutgers had nothing to do with the NYC market..

Wrong. Rutgers' addition to the Big Ten had everything to do with the NYC TV market.

..the BIG has the NJ market.

And the NYC TV market.

Why do U think some have thought the BIG might look at Uconn.

Only complete morons “have thought the BIG might look at Uconnâ€￾ in order to get the NYC TV market that A) UConn isn't in and B) the Big Ten already has courtesy of Rutgers.

Every analyst talking about expansion and Uconn mentions the NYC market...

1) LOL at "analyst." 2) ...in order to click-bait complete morons who “have thought the BIG might look at Uconn."

...I guess they are all wrong and you are right

Yes. That’s exactly what’s happening here.

 

[CoKane]

I like all 4 options here. All 4 make sense in one way or another and there aren't any obvious money grabs on here like UCF or USF would have been that would have only served to weaken the conference. Cincy is my first choice out of that group with BYU and UConn tied for second.