Refs were terrible both ways

[Kurttr]

The weird thing to me about this game is that it was the least-thuggish Huggins' team has been in my memory - probably because they just don't have the talent. I can't stand Huggins usual approach of thug-ball and his constant harping on the refs - wears them down, and they don't call the fouls they should... However, last night, the thug-play wasn't really there, but, ironically, it was the worst-reffed game I can remember seeing. The entire crew was just terrible - out-of-bounds calls, missed travels, anticipatory fouls, fake flagrants... you all have named it. So, I don't blame Huggins for being upset this time - the refs were just horrible. I think he wanted to get tossed so he didn't have to watch the refs or his team the rest of the game.

If it were closer, who knows, Prohm may have felt the need to get T'd up too. There was just no need for him to get into with the refs - just get the game over with no one hurt and a win.

Btw, TV guy was definitely Tim W., not Fran F.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Our Big 12 refs should be at least as good as NFL refs. Wait......what?

There is no such thing as "big 12 refs" these crews are working games 4-5 nights across multiple conferences.

 

[gizzsdad]

The people in charge seem to be content with the officiating level because they really don’t seem to put any effort into making it better.

They are putting considerable effort in to it. The mere fact that you are oblivious to it, doesn't mean it isn't happening.

BTW, the earlier comments about it being a good ole boys club and being political are very accurate.

 

[CycloneErik]

They were just incompetent. That’s the only description needed.

Need to start up a go fund me to give scholarships to get some new refs in the system (assuming there’s some sort of training they do).

I'm available for any and all Kansas games. I'm also very creative.

 

[moores2]

Our problems don't stem from missed calls. The problems we run into is consistency. You can't let a team get away with grabbing arms, shoving people into screens, and get ticky tacky at the other end. Players can adapt to the way a game is being called. However, when they don't know what is and isn't a foul the game gets out of control.

 

[isufbcurt]

I may be weird but I'd welcome the heckling from fans and coaches and think it was hilarious.

 

[moores2]

I may be weird but I'd welcome the heckling from fans and coaches and think it was hilarious.

It is all fun and games until a coach gets up in your face and is yelling. Don't care who you are, it shakes you.

 

[isufbcurt]

It is all fun and games until a coach gets up in your face and is yelling. Don't care who you are, it shakes you.

Trust me, I've had coaches up in my face. They can't hit you, but if they do it makes it even more funny.

 

[Cloneon]

IMO I can't but help thinking Huggy has a strategy with that ejection. He knows the outcome of last night wouldn't change. But he also know he's already made a statement for when we go to Morgantown (3/6). Believe me, the refs will have a different perspective 'entering' that game.

 

[ruxCYtable]

“Unsporting behavior continues to be the main reason that people get out of officiating,” said Mano, who added that pay for his members ranged from $50 to $60 per game at the high school level to $2,500 to $3,000 for major college football games. “They worry about their safety. They worry about putting up with all that guff for $50 a game. Are you kidding me? That’s why there are shortages of men and women who want to go out and officiate in a lot of parts of this country.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/29/sports/referee-shortage-tied-to-lack-of-respect.html

It is a factor but I hate to see it cited as the main factor. I can honestly say, I don't remember the last negative experience I had officiating basketball. I enjoy the **** out of it and it kills me I had to take this year off. Sure, when you first get started, you will take some lumps, but if you continue to work hard those times become fewer and farther between. There are a lot of posters on this board who should try it, and I say that not as a challenge but because I think you would really enjoy it. You will, invariably, find that it is harder than you think, but I also think you'd enjoy it more than you think.

 

[stateofmind]

Huggy was pissed that there wasntawa call on his shooter in the corner last night. By role the shooter should not be touched until back on the floor. We never get those and always commit then, but last night was the opposite. Huggy saw Wigginton get that call twice in front of him. Granted, LW twas hammered on the first one and the second was a slap to the face.

But I think we deserved to get a foul there and agreed with Huggy. Of course he went over the top because how the game was going and rang up the first T. I told my son he was going to be ejected after that as I figured any one of us in that situation with the ***** official not giving Huggy any explanation and standing as far away as he could, would cause him to blow his top.

 

[VeloClone]

I still can't understand how it was a flagrant on babb and not a cylinder rule foul on the WV guy.

I'm not sure if he was quite in the cylinder yet or not when contact was initiated but by the end of the play he definitely was. That was what I had a problem with. When shown from the side the defender never stopped moving toward Babb. How is it an offensive foul when the defender is moving toward the offensive player? He was moving in so he wasn't maintaining a legal guarding position.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

If you want to become a high school sports official in the state of Iowa, it's really easy. Pay the association, pass an open book multiple choice test.

I guarantee if you call the IAHSAA they will help you.

You will be working games within a week, that is how hard up many schools are finding officials. I teach at a small high school, we pay per conference rules $100 a night for 2 varsity games, G/B, and $50 for Jr. High games. Our AD had to get certified this year just in case he could not find refs to work our middle school games. He told me once his name went out of the reffing website list, he was getting emails to come ref games. Its really a thankless job, you can not be in it for the money.

The best ones love the sport and want to be around the kids.
I coached for 25 years, and I have seen great refs and horrible ones, many are just average, trying to do the job. But even at the lower levels its hard. If you think you want to try, call down to your local Y or youth league, many are dying getting refs. and good luck.

 

[VeloClone]

Basketball is the hardest sport to officiate, plan and simple. The players are moving at incredible speeds, and the crowd is right on the floor. You can never see everything.

I work with guy that does woman's college basketball, he used to do Big 12 games, now just small college. I've asked him if he ever thought about doing the men's games, and he said, "way to much politics" involved in getting dates. He got phased out of the Big 12 as they started hiring more woman to ref the games. If the assignor likes you, you can get a lot of dates, but if that person moves on, the next person may shut you down completely.

Last night the refs had a poor night, the last foul on the WV big man that fouled him out was anticipation call more than anything else, I do not think he even touched out player, but slapped down at the ball and the official that was trailing called it a foul. They just had a bad night, but they did not favor either squad, that I could see.

I don't know what the official called that foul for, but from what I saw was the slap on the ball was not a foul but the hip check on the player as he went up was. It was easiest to see from the baseline camera.

I didn't feel the least bit bad for Ahmad. He was all hands and hips on both offense and defense the entire game. It is hard for an offensive player to run an offense and get open when his defender is allowed to push and pull him repeatedly every possession. It is also hard to defend a guy when his last move before he gets the ball is to shove you up or down the lane. Ahmad was at it all night last night.

 

[VeloClone]

Cause I'd be blacklisted.

On a side note I am disappointed that Fran F. was going on about how Huggy shouldn't have been ejected (this was per my wife who watched the game on TV). Kept going on about how he is a HoF coach and deserves courtesy from the refs.

What I told my wife is that the officials had had enough of Huggins because he is in the officials' ears every minute of every game. They weren't about to go over there and take any more abuse and I don't blame them one bit. Officiating is a tough job and you have to take a lot of abuse from a lot of asshat coaches, but enough is enough. He had totally cooled down and then decided that he was going to get thrown out. It was pretty clear on the replay.

EDIT: I also told my wife when they went to commercial during the media timeout that they would show us Huggins getting thrown out when they came back from commercial. You could tell that he was going to make it happen.

 

[CY88CE11]

I'm not sure if he was quite in the cylinder yet or not when contact was initiated but by the end of the play he definitely was. That was what I had a problem with. When shown from the side the defender never stopped moving toward Babb. How is it an offensive foul when the defender is moving toward the offensive player? He was moving in so he wasn't maintaining a legal guarding position.

The contact to the head happened directly above Babb's pivot foot. It 1000% should have been a cylinder foul, but the only time I've seen that rule enforced correctly was Garza's "flagrant" that was reversed a few Iowa games ago.

 

[VeloClone]

The contact to the head happened directly above Babb's pivot foot. It 1000% should have been a cylinder foul, but the only time I've seen that rule enforced correctly was Garza's "flagrant" that was reversed a few Iowa games ago.

Yeah, I've since seen the side angle where you can see both players in profile and their feet and I agree wholeheartedly. The previous view I had at the angle you couldn't see either player's feet.

 

[surly]

I notice when we lose the refs are horrible. But when we win they're horrible both ways.

 

[67CY]

There is no such thing as "big 12 refs" these crews are working games 4-5 nights across multiple conferences.

I wonder if the Michigan Iowa refs will do our game Sat

 

[khardbored]

My point is if they really cared they would be recruiting officials and making public opportunities to be an official. As soon as I start to get settled into my new house and stuff I might go through the effort to become one. That said it still shouldn’t be that hard if they are desperate for officials. There should be a clear way to apply directly on their site. At least the last time I looked it just wasn’t very clear and turned me off. I agree with what others said is the higher levels probably need to invest in officials at the lower levels too.

The people in charge seem to be content with the officiating level because they really don’t seem to put any effort into making it better.

I do agree that the IAHSAA could seriously use some help with marketing and web design. It's not hard, but they don't make it "look" as easy as it is.

Their web stuff is so old that for officials logins, they still use a username/password combo (not separate username / password, and you can't even pick your own login!!!)