Because you come off as a know it all DB.
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Because you come off as a know it all DB.
Funny how you didn't bold the parenthetical noting that we have actually seen him make those kinds of shots. In fact, 2/3 of his 3-point makes are on shots you have described as bad shots. Maybe that lends some evidence to the idea that they aren't bad shots for him. If you watch his highlights from Buffalo, you can see that he regularly took well-defended floaters and threes from several feet behind the three-point line. If those have always been part of his shooting arsenal, then I also think we might not expect his efficiency to decrease much from last year to this year. Especially when, as you've noted, he's no longer the best player so defenses won't key in on him as they did at Buffalo.
Also, I think for certain kinds of three-point shots (as the pick-and-roll ball handler and shots well beyond the three-point line), he actually is the best option. If you're trying to maximize points on any individual possession, are those shots the best option? Probably not. But in order to maximize points over the course of the game? Yeah, I think those shots can be valuable in opening up the rest of the court if they force his defender to stay attached even when he's 4-5 feet beyond the three-point line.
Specifically that he knows more than Otz, which is the problem.
And it's been stated several times in this thread, but CJones is being asked to fill a role, just like everyone on the team, and his role is "volume shooter". It's literally his job!
ZRF can disagree or not understand with why that role is important and valuable, but that doesn't change the fact that he's dogging CJones for doing exactly what the coach is asking him to do.
And it makes a lot of sense, we need some pop off the bench and we need players to stretch the floor. Gilbert and Lipsey are both drive-first guards, we don't have enough shoot-first players (hopefully Pav forces his way into more PT), so we need Milan and CJones to shoot it when they get it. Even if they miss, it opens up the game for everyone else.
In game threads, people go off on a player for, in their opinion, a bad play (bad shot, missed tackle, botched assignment, "hero ball," etc.). It's why I stay away from the game threads, in all sports.
But MOST of those same posters calm down, come back to earth, all just discussion board blather.
But ZRF can't let it go. You find a fault, a weakness, a player that doesn't fit what you see as what ZRF feels should be their role. Volumes of posts defending something that, whether it has any validity, isn't worth the effort beyond a simple statement of personal believe.
You think Curtis Jones shoots too much and takes too many bad shots. Ok. Enough said. Most others, evidently including the coaching staff, don't feel the same way. I guess we'll see how it plays out.
But MOST of those same posters calm down, come back to earth, all just discussion board blather.
But ZRF can't let it go. You find a fault, a weakness, a player that doesn't fit what you see as what ZRF feels should be their role. Volumes of posts defending something that, whether it has any validity, isn't worth the effort beyond a simple statement of personal believe.
You think Curtis Jones shoots too much and takes too many bad shots. Ok. Enough said. Most others, evidently including the coaching staff, don't feel the same way. I guess we'll see how it plays out.
Holy **** we're 3 games into the season with a lot of new players. Guys might still be getting comfortable in their role. It's also bball so people go through slumps and hot streaks. I'd rather have guys figuring it out in these games. Not to mention he hasn't even been bad he just hasn't been hot from 3 yet. I guarantee Milan will go through a slump this year. We will want home to keep shooting
You're spending way too much time breaking down something that's really of little concern.
Simply put, CJ is hunting his shot to try and get in some kind of rhythm. So far he's been pretty ice cold, but the coaches feel he'll come around and so do I FWIW.
These tune up games are just that. You'll see multiple hodgepodge lineups on the floor and guys trying to find a rhythm when it comes to their offense and shooting.
If CJ takes a three early in the shot clock from downtown, who cares? If analytics says that's a bad shot, so be it. When you're drilling an outmanned opponent by like 30 are we really going to split hairs here?
These are the games you want to jack it up and find your shot because you don't want to be doing that when the competition picks up like in conference play.
I also gotta' take issue with your comparison of CJ to Jalen Rose in a different post; claiming JR was basically an undisciplined chucker. Check his stats. His college and Pro FG% were really good, and he played like 13 years in the NBA I think which all runs counter to your description of him. If CJ can contribute like JR did at Michigan, then that's a huge positive.
And finally, I've been a fan since the Johnny days. And I have to say I don't think I've ever been more excited for a basketball season. Maybe the year after we lost in the Elite 8 with Tinsley & Co. coming back but beyond that, no. These guys could be really, really special.
By gawd, I think we need to fire TJ and rehire Steve Prohm. He just seemed to know more than our present coaching staff.
By gawd, I think we need to fire TJ and rehire Steve Prohm. He just seemed to know more than our present coaching staff.
Bring Fred home. Assistants: Prohm as lead PG recruiter, ZRF as shooting coach and in-game strategery
TJ could try out professional arm wrestling instead of this coaching thing
As long as people are weighing in on everything ....
* I, too, have some concerns about C. Jones' efficiency but I keep in mind that we have a small data set and we know that he had a solid 3pt % in the MAC last year, a decent mid-major conference. I'm assuming he'll be shooting much better than 17% from deep by January.
* I was glad to see J-Pav get some rotation minutes. You can see he's got a good stroke and his freshman numbers back that up. I also want to get a better sense of his D vs. tough competition.
* Momcilovic has been a revelation. I'll be looking at how he does versus more athletic P5-type forwards. He doesn't have an aerial game (though he's crafty as hell) and teams will try to cut down on his space. CW noted in his podcast that he's come a long way on D and still has much to learn; seeing if he can keep B12 wings in front of him will be interesting. The guy's a baller.
* Just on reputation - McDonald's, for example - I had expected that Biliew would have some offensive weapons beyond hustle and his athleticism. I'm hoping he'll get comfortable in some catch-and-shoot situations as it doesn't seem like his mechanics are bad. The guy goes hard.
* I understand playing cupcakes early in the season but with UWGB, Lindenwood, that other ISU, Grambling and New Hampshire, this fan would rather lose 2 of those for UNI and Drake. I think it's better for the state and it's just so much more efficient in terms of travel time. There aren't many P5 tests on the schedule before we run into the B12 gauntlet.
I think this team has a chance to be good but I find myself reining in expectations with such a soft schedule so far. The depth reminds of the the year under Prohm wtih THT and Hali as freshman, Lindell as a soph and Shayok. They sometimes put the fun in dysfunctional, however.
* I, too, have some concerns about C. Jones' efficiency but I keep in mind that we have a small data set and we know that he had a solid 3pt % in the MAC last year, a decent mid-major conference. I'm assuming he'll be shooting much better than 17% from deep by January.
* I was glad to see J-Pav get some rotation minutes. You can see he's got a good stroke and his freshman numbers back that up. I also want to get a better sense of his D vs. tough competition.
* Momcilovic has been a revelation. I'll be looking at how he does versus more athletic P5-type forwards. He doesn't have an aerial game (though he's crafty as hell) and teams will try to cut down on his space. CW noted in his podcast that he's come a long way on D and still has much to learn; seeing if he can keep B12 wings in front of him will be interesting. The guy's a baller.
* Just on reputation - McDonald's, for example - I had expected that Biliew would have some offensive weapons beyond hustle and his athleticism. I'm hoping he'll get comfortable in some catch-and-shoot situations as it doesn't seem like his mechanics are bad. The guy goes hard.
* I understand playing cupcakes early in the season but with UWGB, Lindenwood, that other ISU, Grambling and New Hampshire, this fan would rather lose 2 of those for UNI and Drake. I think it's better for the state and it's just so much more efficient in terms of travel time. There aren't many P5 tests on the schedule before we run into the B12 gauntlet.
I think this team has a chance to be good but I find myself reining in expectations with such a soft schedule so far. The depth reminds of the the year under Prohm wtih THT and Hali as freshman, Lindell as a soph and Shayok. They sometimes put the fun in dysfunctional, however.
LOL, you're only happy when your acting like a *ss. We know your shtick and just don't appreciate it.
I like Pav’s game. Just a baller in an undersized body. Gain some strength and I think he’ll make some noise next year
ISU would still be willing to do play them, provided they come to Hilton.
JP is just not interested in mid major road games for the basketball preseason with an expanding (from 16 to 18 to perhaps 20 in '25) Big 12 slate of games. And he shouldn't be.
Pretty good post.
The problem I have with CJ taking these many shots is twofold. One is it ingrains he should be a high shot, primary scorer and could lead to him falling into bad habits. The other is it appears the coaching staff wants him to put up a bunch of shots which I find a little perplexing. One is that we have a roster with 4 (better) scoring options and ones who are more efficient, thus maximizing possessional output.
Now, as far as doing it early in the season you're right, it doesn't really factor into the games now. If Otz was saying "he's a guy we want shooting right now as we feel like he needs to find his shot and we'd rather that happen now, when the schedule is more favorable, than later when it isn't" I'd be a little less concerned about his particular aspect. If there is one guy on the team the staff should be saying "shoot as much as possible" it's Milan. If you really want someone's brain to be ingrained with "if the shot is there take it" it's him. C Jones shouldn't be within 7 shot attempts per game and (probably) nobody else should be within 3-4 (on average). He's that special.
For all of the "schtick" and negative talk nonsense I get on here I have stated, numerous times and places, I think we will be no worse than a 3rd seed in the tournament provided we don't have an injury. Yes I am high on this team and yes I think we are/will be that good. With that said, if C Jones continues this kind of offensive usage rate, with some of the shot selection he's takin in conference games, it will (almost by itsefl) cost us a game or two.
As for the Rose comment his last few years with the Bulls were less than stellar and was often a byproduct of trying to do too much, too often. Part of that was being on a bad/lesser team and part of that was on him. At the end of the day players are much more efficient when they no their strengths, weaknesses, and play within their abilities. Nothing about C Jones says he should be, or even can be, a high volume (and efficient scorer). He started his career at Buffalo. Played against crap competition. And has, thus far, struggled to shoot against crap competition.
Agreed on the schedule wish we would have drake or uni on the schedule I can't imagine they wouldn't just come to Ames. Anything is better than playing awful schools that don't challenge us in any way.
But Eeyore is not a confrontational know-it-all. Maybe he would be if sports social media existed in 100 acre wood.
