*** Official Idaho State vs IOWA STATE Game(Day) Thread ***
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CycloneErik
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You are not alone. I just wish our staff had experience putting wins together so I could believe in this team.
I’ve watched the games. I don’t recall at any time, let alone the majority of the time, thinking, “wow, we’re forcing up a lot of bad shots right now”
His shots aren’t falling. Not shooting doesn’t get him out of that.
Team still developing in game speed dynamics.
The logic here:
If player X (that I’ve seen play 3 games and no practice or scrimmage) misses a shot, this is outside their range/skill set, this is evidenced by them missing the shot.
If player takes similar shot again, it is a bad shot selection.
Thus, good shot selections and shots within a players range/skill set are those that they make.
Not true at all.
More like if "play X" has never shown to be super efficient, playing at a mid-major level school, and comes to a P5 team that arguably has it's best roster in 20 years, he probably shouldn't take questionable shots and almost definitely shouldn't lead the team in shots. If said player does happen to lead the team in shots it's probably not what's best for the team.
Now you got it.
As a team? No. But as a player C Jones, especially given his usage, is easily leading the team in that category. Moreover there is little in his history that suggests he should be taking this many shots on a talented team.
Trying to argue Curtis should be taking more shots than Milan, Lipsey, Gilbert, and King is a pretty poor argument.
Agree on your last sentence but (again) there is little in the way of past performance, logic, or common sense to suggest Curtis Jones leading the team in shots in a good thing. I'm not saying he shouldn't shoot the ball, or that he isn't (or can't be valuable), just that it's not wise for the current rate of usage to continue. Even if he starts shooting better, the odds of him surpassing the production or efficiency of the aforementioned players is next to zero.
Except when the actual ******* coach and teammates who see him in practice (which you don't) tell him to keep shooting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You need to get over yourself.
And coach saying they’re giving him the green light and for him to think of himself like Steph Curry is coach speak.
It is. The percentage of coaches that publicly criticize their own players is very small. How many times has Otz said anything negative about his own players (even when warranted)? Exactly my point.
“Would love to see Milan get a few more shots than Curtis is putting up currently”
Is a much more succinct and measured way of saying that. You’ve had to jump off the R Jones hate and have given some golf clap praise, but far from eating crow on him.
So instead of acknowledging that, you’ve shifted to C Jones. My question, why does there HAVE to be someone that’s getting wall text criticism for you? Especially when it’s not a matter of effort, energy or doing what the coaches are asking of them?
I’ve seen/heard Otz say a lot of things indicating a player needs to work on some things. There’s a gulf between dragging your guys in the press and public ally saying they have a green light on lock/S Curry reference.
Imo Otz has been about as transparent as you're going to find.
On the same token, why do so many on here get their panties in a bunch when someone makes a simple (even if critical statement)? In terms of R Jones the comments often devolved from a simple comment, which others took offense to, challenged, to which I offered long rebuttals. On that note (BRE) the part that really irritated me with his play (that he could control) was when he forced things on the offensive end. Putting the ball on the floor, trying to get crafty, or laboring with his moves almost always turned out poorly. I was extremely critical of his usage given that I thought we had players (Osun early and King mid season on) that were more productive and valuable than a player that tried to do too much.
I fail to see how saying C Jones is shooting too much is a bad take. Again, as with Jones, I started with a small statement and the easily offended crowd immediately went up in arms and went into defend mode. At that point I offered some evidence, much like I did last year with BRE's advanced metrics (which were terrible BTW) yet somehow I was accused of having vendettas instead of having an opinion that I largely supported with facts. Much like I have here.
Maybe C Jones becomes Milan the second and greatly improves his efficiency. I guess anything is possible. But there is little from the first 3 games and C Jones' stats (along with his age) to suggest that's likely. And since everyone thinks I have some kind of hatred for BRE I will say he has looked impressive thus far. I made a thread about it but it looks like Pete Link (S and C coach) and the staff have done a phenomenal job of physically transforming some guys. BRE looks more chiseled, more explosive, and has displayed quicker/better footwork on both ends of the floor. He's also played within his capabilities; as I stated last year he can be valuable when he knows his limits. It's been crap competition (granted) but I think these advances will parlay into league play (to a lesser degree offensively of course) if he continues to play within his abilities.
