thank you for mentioning that. It seems like some people just have to pick out heises mistakes and not mention anyone else. on the postgame show TJ mentioned heises defense and rebounding and how he got a couple offensive boards that led to 3 point buckets. said they are still pushing him to shoot the ball more. but what does TJ know.
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Cujo outside of FTs didn't have a good game shooting yesterday including losing the ball out of bounds twice unforced (one in the closing minutes when ISU really just needed to take some time and make Cinci chase a bit) but Heise missing his one shot and having a turnover got magnified a lot.
Weird, the ESPN app for me was also showing the shortened cut off version. I logged out and logged back in and now it’s working
Yep. And it honestly feels like Self isn’t the one making the roster decisions. Which is the weirdest part.
I know I’ve said it several times but man, that guy doesn’t like MOST of his players. The past 2 seasons.
Actually I think the problem is they hung on to some really so-so talent the past two years. Let's give it a few years before we declare the death of Kansas and Self.
The reason they do is because all those other players do so many good things on offense, and yes, if he is to be out there, he definitely needs to shoot more. The whole team passed up layups or open shots to make a pass that often led to a turnover. I think the emphasis in practice was to move the ball and it was overdone by the players. Move the ball until you have a good shot. If we could have UCF Heises that would be great.
They were sloppy but Cincy is a good enough team to make us pay for those mistakes. But they couldn't yesterday, because we did more things better than they did. Moral of the story, while turnovers aren't great, this team is good enough to cover up those mistakes by doing other things well. I do hope they tighten it up down the stretch. Others have summarized it pretty well, it's lazy paying and aggressive thread the needle type passing. Combine that with the occasional dribbling into traffic without a plan ( mostly Gilbert) and you get a bunch of unnecessary turnovers. Others are saying in February, teams are kind of what they are at this point, and I don't subscribe to that opinion. Plenty of time to clean something like that up.
I thought he was GREAT yesterday. In the right place at the right time so many times.
Agreed that’s because we are better than that. I think we are the best team easily if we control our turnovers. Without Milan we are not
The point that I was trying to make, evidently not very well, is that our opponents seem to grab, restrict, and bump us much more than we do them. TJ’s first two teams were built that way. Since they were not really talented offensively, they tried to get the games into a low-scoring rock fight.
This year’s team seems to play less physical than TJ’s first two teams. Rather, they rely more on their offensive skills to beat people.
Maybe I just notice it more when other teams are consistently bumping and restricting our ball players and not getting called for fouls than when we do it to them. I will try to pay better attention going forward.
Of course 18 in a tourney game would be an issue, but to assume we'll just have the HIGHEST TOs of the entire season in the tourney is asinine. He said we WILL get knocked out due to turnovers - that's defeatist.
If you expect a perfect game with zero bad turnovers, good luck finding a single team who's done it a single time against good opponents. If we can get them back to 10 or less (which is definitely possible), I don't see many teams beating this squad at full strength.
Nobody is expecting a perfect game and I shouldn't say 18 turnovers.
Let's put a scenario:
Tight game, 20 seconds left, ISU ball, down or up 1.
Based on season long trends, do you currently see ISU taking some time to work it around for a good look or driving hard to the lane into 2-3 guys?
Right now unfortunately I'm guessing the latter since that trend hasn't changed yet.
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This is definitely the case, teams definitely bump, grab, push our team more. In the Big 12 they have often gotten away with it, Cinci did in the first half. The good news is the tourney is usually called closer. I have to believe teams are doing that intentionally based on scouting as Cinci is a relatively low fouling team. Once West Virginia got away with it against us, everybody decided to try it. Cinci never adjusted their style to the officiating in the second half. Hence the large foul/free throw differential. There is no doubt they caused more contact on both ends throughout.
If ISU keeps the turnovers around 10 or less... the games won't be that close.
I understand a little better, but not sure I fully agree. The team the last 2 years is a half step or so worse than TJs first 2 teams, but overall they are still really good on that end in my opinion. A lot of it I think is that Gabe Kalscheur was on those first 2 TJ teams and he was the best defensive guard we had at ISU in at least a decade. Gilbert is good but he's not as good on that end. Tamin is almost as good but a lot smaller. This year we also exchanged Big Rob and Tre King who were imposers of will on that end for Big Dog Dishon and Jefferson who are a half step slower on defense but a whole lot more proficient on offense. So I guess while I agree we are worse defensively, I don't think it's this wide chasm of difference and our guys, guards especially, are still pretty physical.
