*** Official #8 IOWA STATE vs #5 Houston Game(Day) Thread ***

NWICY

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I thought live maybe that was the case...tough break but it's the rules, trying to make myself feel better...but looking at the replay it was a 100% blown call. There's no defense in basketball if that's a foul on Heise and if he's not allowed that space Houston should have had to forfeit the game before half for lack of available players.
For what it's worth JW was livid about that call.
 
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Bilas also called out the push off on Uzan and said when healthy we’re a final 4 contender, for those that think he’s always anti ISU

We had some success as pure offense with Fred then pure defense with Otz. As a more balanced team we aren’t an easy target for drive by media shots.

The hate last year for our non conference sos was driven by coaches in crap conferences, some media ran with it but not most.
 
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AllInForISU

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You can't believe that. I think you are just arguing because you are too stubborn.

Please rewatch it if you don’t believe me. He pivots then rotates his upper body with both feet planted on the ground.

Everything I was referring to was after the pivot.
 

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I thought the Tamin one specifically was a foul. I don't recall the other 2 you are referring to.

That is what creates the cylinder foul. If the defender is in the cylinder, he is not in a legal guarding position, so any illegal contact should be a defensive foul.

I agree completely. Though, AI is still a long way off, and even when it is viable, will still be years away from implementation due to the pushback it will receive.
1) I'll look back and grab the times. 2) 3 pointers and a free throw line 2 is what I recall.

2) Gotcha. I guess if the O backs into the D with his butt, the D has legal position and is made to fall in any way including toward theplayer into the cylinder. That in itself would be a foul prior to the Cylinder call. That is what I was describing AND I think this is the point you are making.

3) I am going more for AI to follow the ball, provide optimized camera shots for a group of TRAINED people able to call specific kinds of calls, in a few games a day. Crowsdsourcing could determine if enough people would make the call and THEN give the notification. I'm not saying I know HOW to do it all. AND I know you will disagree with this. But, the same person OR set of people calling the same set of calls (i.e. block / charge, ballhandling infractions, OOB, etc.) in all spots on the floor OR consistency of position (minus rotation) could help with consistency on calls from one end to the other. WHICH tends to be my biggest complaint.

I believe it would be easier to train humans to provide their best view of every play via cameras (we have the technology, it would cost something, but every venue could build it in) and the rules, than it is to get 3 humans to call every call the same on both ends of the floor, be in the right position, be looking at only their assignments, etc. Give me $85K to $125K per year we give the officials and I'd bet we would get a long way into setting up a reasonable in house camera system for a dozen people to view various aspects of the game.

THEN, we have to figure out the perfect, never down Internet with no latency AND we would be in business. Until then, everyone would need to be in the same building, negating the cost savings. May be a better product though.

Now that I think about it, I guess it is possible that we could have a few NCAA satellites bounce the game feeds to 30 localities that allow a group of people to assemble. i.e. Chicago, KC, Denver, MNPLS, etc. Then you'd have people traveling in maybe less than 2 hours for game officiating. You'd get paid less, but you could do multiple games a day pretty easily AND maybe work 5 days a week.

In this scenario we could put a person on each bench and allow the coaches to bend their ear all game long. I'm all for that. Those people do nothing other than listen and write down the conversations in a spiral bound notebook to be sent to the officials in charge of bench officials though. We'd want to make sure that the coaches felt "heard".

If air traffic controllers can do their job, these super humans could do this job.
 

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Give both teams credit, Houston hit some tough shots, and ISU down 2 starters could have folded early, instead stormed back to get the game down to 1. Overall I thought the refs allowed it to get way to physical, but its the style both teams want to play.
Overturning the offensive foul and giving Houston the ball back was the call of the game, ISU had momentum and would have had the ball, instead Houston gets the ball back and then hit another fall away shot. Great effort by ISU in a tough environment, the two teams will meet again, sad that we only get to play them once during the regular season and that game was in Houston.
 

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I refuse to believe the "intent" of the cylinder rule allows a player to swing his elbow into a defender's jaw. I won't try to argue it still qualifies but "law," but I figure it applies mostly to limiting a defender from initiating contact within the zone.

When they went to the monitor, I thought maybe they were checking if it was considered a flop. I almost could've understood that - he did seem to "sell it" a little (easy for me to say, I wasn't the person who got struck in the face).
 
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I refuse to believe the "intent" of the cylinder rule allows a player to swing his elbow into a defender's jaw. I won't try to argue it still qualifies but "law," but I figure it applies mostly to limiting a defender from initiating contact within the zone.

When they went to the monitor, I thought maybe they were checking if it was considered a flop. I almost could've understood that - he did seem to "sell it" a little (easy for me to say, I wasn't the person who got struck in the face).
I thought they were going go the monitor to see if it would be elevated to a flagrant 1.
 

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This Houston team could only beat us by 9 without our best two scorers, at home, while shooting almost 60% from three, and getting a gift from the refs at a critical point in the game? Color me unimpressed.
Or be impressed with our guy's effort. I never understand downgrading how good an opponent that just beat us is. Houston is a true Final Four contender. We are just as good or better. Time will tell.
 

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Houston post game presser. The analysis is really good. He loves Otz
 
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