During Atlantis I said I wasn’t quite sold on him yet. I’ve warmed up to him since then; last night he was outstanding, and seems to be finding his niche as our bulldog defender who can occasionally generate some offense.
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During Atlantis I said I wasn’t quite sold on him yet. I’ve warmed up to him since then; last night he was outstanding, and seems to be finding his niche as our bulldog defender who can occasionally generate some offense.
Jacobson +13
Bolton +11
Haliburton +10
Nixon +9
Grill +5
Conditt +4
Young +2
Jackson -1
Griffin -3
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Losing Mamu changed the entire trajectory of the game. Does ISU win if he doesn't get hurt <5 min in to the game? Can't answer that questions one way or the other, but it certainly did hurt Seton Hall. But, stuff happens and you need to be able to respond. SH gave it their best go without him
I do think the whistles favored us a tad, not going to lie. The particular instance I can think of is Nixon getting fouled on a 3 by Powell who basically grazed his jersey. Happened at a pivotal moment with momentum getting away from SH. Hopefully we get those calls Thursday, but I won't be waiting with baited breath. Iowa is going to be allowed to hack and maim with guys like Pemsl, Evelyn, and Kriener. They did it the other night vs Michigan I noticed. Fran bringing in those guys only to foul, since Michigan was out-talenting them so bad. He'd sub Wieskamp, Garza, and Bohannon back in between free throws. Thug tactics.
I do think the whistles favored us a tad, not going to lie. The particular instance I can think of is Nixon getting fouled on a 3 by Powell who basically grazed his jersey. Happened at a pivotal moment with momentum getting away from SH. Hopefully we get those calls Thursday, but I won't be waiting with baited breath. Iowa is going to be allowed to hack and maim with guys like Pemsl, Evelyn, and Kriener. They did it the other night vs Michigan I noticed. Fran bringing in those guys only to foul, since Michigan was out-talenting them so bad. He'd sub Wieskamp, Garza, and Bohannon back in between free throws. Thug tactics.
Hate to see that.
I was critical of Nixon earlier in the season, and so were many others. I never said, nor did any other reasonable people say, though, that he sucked and should not play. I thought maybe it would have made sense at some point to play Jackson or Grill ahead of him to build for the future if some of his woes continued, but that has not been the case. Nixon has been much better the past few weeks playing to his strengths.
Not that he was listening to us, but there was a reasonable criticism of his play that he needed to stop trying to create his own offense and let Haliburton or Bolton make it for him and just concentrate on being a bulldog. He has done that, and hence his defense has improved and his offensive efficiency has gone up. I am glad Nixon and Prohm identified that and shaped him up to defer on offense and maul on defense.
That was fun, but we essentially have nine versions of that in the Big 12 -- all the more reason a ten-team double round-robin is the absolute best format.
I could see my way through to doing something like that with a neat opponent (e.g., a regional non-con rival like a Big Ten West team or Missouri) where both fan bases could maybe travel to each other, but you run the risk of having a lame match-up twice if the two teams were not on about the same level as each other.
I think the case is obvious the Conditt is our third-best or even our second-best player right now. That being said, I think total minutes and who plays at the end is more important than who formally starts, and, like you said, Conditt has a practical limit on the minutes he can play physically and because of fouls/his aggression on defense.
Prohm is toggling between Jacobson/Young, Jacobson/Conditt, and four-guard line-ups with Jacobson in the middle (as we did last year, and Jacobson has been his most productive when matched up 1v1 on the block with four guards around him this year, too) and then Conditt in the middle looking for lobs, swats, and altered shots.
Prohm seems to be getting the rotation down. Having three viable big men is a really nice luxury, and I forgot what it was like. We have been terrified of fouls and fatigue down there for so long because we only had 1-2 true posts you could play in the Big 12 that now we can see when you can tell those guys to go hard and be willing to physically challenge opponents at the rim and on the boards, who cares about a few fouls.
I will note, too, imagining the future, that we are going to have 40 minutes per night of a Conditt type with Foster coming into the program. That will be fun. You can tell them both to go hard as the 1 in a 4/1 for 20 minutes per game, rotate Solomon in there around them to give a two-big look, or play them together (if Foster can play as a 4 man, like Jacobson does an okay job doing) and have some frightening length on defense.
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Agreed, Conditt is out best big but I noticed he look gassed at times last night. He's exerting alot of energy on both sides so I dont know if he has the stamina to go Haliburton/Nixon/Bolton minutes.
I think the rotation is fine how it is right now, Conditt seems to be best around the 20 minute mark, start trying to play him more and you might start getting diminishing returns. He picked up 3 bad fouls last night also which could be a problem.
Also with Conditt: for a big guy he’s got a nice FT shot
I know it hasn't been the greatest start for Zion, but I think some are hopping off the bandwagon a bit early.
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Yeah, might as well go ahead and yank his scholarship now...
I know that comes off as pretty salty, but I really don't understand the need for the fanbase to be so critical of a few of our players after a big win.
I know he missed his only shot, but he also had a block and a steal in only a couple of minutes of playing time. No need to throw him under the bus.
I don't see Griffin playing much once the Big 12 season starts. He completely bricked his only shot last night then was never seen again.
That sucks. He was a very good player. Really hope he makes it back before too long.
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We're blessed this year with 3 talented bigs, one of whom can (we think) play the 4 position a bit. How great is that?
I think Zion has a lot of potential, the thing I don't get is that he comes in the game and on offense all he does is shoot 3s. With his build I feel like he should be getting into the lane and aggressively finishing at the rim...
He's a career 30/43 (70%) and 17/25 (68%) this season after last night.
Those are not great, but they are good enough for a big man that hack-a-Shaq does not become a default strategy. He was 7/8 last night, though, which had a big part in us winning the game, so hopefully he continues that.
I do not mean this to be specifically critical of Griffin, but we have been playing nine, and that is likely going to shrink down to 7-8 in the next few weeks.
Griffin is just going to be the odd man out right now. Conditt is obviously firmly a sixth man, and the competition between Jackson and Grill is ongoing (and you still might need both of them at some point, especially if we keep playing four guards in stretches), but things are about to get "real." The experimentation on lineups and roles is going to end, and I think Griffin is just going to be without a chair when that music stops.
Iirc last year he was up in Naz territory as far as % of shots as 3’s. Which doesn’t seem like where he should be.
Wasn't trying to be critical. There was hype around him, and so far he comes in for a few minutes and shoots once or twice and is done.
If Prohm was so excited about him, what happens that he's not playing more?
Yeah some players' strengths are how they fit best.
Conditt coming off the bench and flying around is a great thing to transition to after Young's calm demeanor.
I think Young's ability to make a 5 on defense have to step out is being underappreciated.
I'm shocked Zion even hits the percentage he does, I am not sure I have seen a flatter shot...
If he can consistently hit the mid range jumper out to 18 feet like he has been to start this season, it is huge for opening up things on the offensive end. We have guards who can drive and get to the rim against almost anyone (finishing, last night, was tough to come by. But missed lay ups are easier to correct) so having a big at the 5 who can at least make Big Men have to worry about him, it's a great thing for our offense.
