There is a reason that interstates have minimum speed limits. The difference in speed is dangerous. It has always amazed me how many farm vehicles get hit each year on county roads. They are large and easy to spot. Bicycles go about the same speed as farm equipment and are far harder to see.
murderer and weapon found!
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Your argument has no legal basis. Emotion has no place in a courtroom, a factor that is the cornerstone of our legal system, and of our rights as Americans. Justice will be done based on the facts of the case, and no one is dismissing his ultimate responsibility for his actions, should he be proven guilty. Everyone is working on pure theory here.
and not excusing the guy leaving... but you wonder why someone would panic and flee the scene. if someone hits a bike, its ALWAYS made to be worse than it actually is (acting like it was intentional, etc) by the militant cyclist groups.
exactly. and even if you hit farm equipment, most of the time you can slam your brakes and make it a lower speed accident than a 55mph vs 10mph accident, so it wont be deadly. maybe itll be a 10mph collision, which will result in both drivers being protected by their vehicles. A bike on the other hand, provides no such protection, and the biker can be killed even in slower speed crashes where the driver does attempt to stop.
You may believe that, and that's fine. Japan's new president's wife believes she flew on a UFO to Venus.
Drinking and driving is not attempted murder, no more than texting or driving or eating a big mac and driving. In my book it has been way more vilified than it should be thanks to skewed statistics that are cherry picked and put out there by neo-prohibitionists. And before you accuse me of being some sort of drunk driving apologist, my father was killed by one 2 years ago.
He is not a murderer. You can't murder via arrogance.
I'm glad you aren't a prosecutor. This guy would walk in any court jury in the nation if you charged him with murder and all he did was hit a guy on a bicycle by accident, even if he was drunk, blind and driving backwards racing tree people.
yeah...that killing thing is toootally defensible.
see you guys think that killing is ok. i don't. it is simple. i don't really care anymore about defintions of 'murder', 'manslaughter, blah, blah, blah.
it is becoming very clear is that murdering is ok...there is an entire thread here dedicated to apologizing for giving a weapon(car), to someone that clearly was unable to manage it or the associated responsibility. then lacked the moral code to acknowledge their crime. killing someone, then leaving is ok, right? there is not one bit of defense to this story...none.
Here's the deal in my mind: I think that cyclists getting hit on rural roads is a horrible thing and a hit and run is criminal. The problem I'm having is that you are on a soapbox too often on this topic, probably for good cause, but it rubs a lot of people the wrong way. I know it is personal, and you are right in most of it, but no one likes the soapbox.
Please, take this for what it is worth, and know that I really respect your opinions on a lot of things and have found you very sensible in the past.
Not one person has said that it's ok. But there's a difference between murder, manslaughter (voluntary and involuntary) and homicide (vehicular, negligent etc). They have different requirements involving motivation, commission and intent and all carry different penalties. So you might not care about it, but the law in every country does. And if you don't care about the law, you might just as well let all the murders go unpunished.
You don't know the story, so don't go telling me there isn't one bit of defense to this story. While it's true it doesn't look good, there may be mitigating circumstances. We don't know the details of it yet, and the guy hasn't even been charged with anything yet. So to call him a murderer is sensationalist.
And killing someone is not necessarily a crime, just so you know. There are plenty of reasons you can kill someone and not be charged with any form of homicide. I doubt we will find that in this case, but until the facts are all out there, charges filed, a trial conducted, and a conviction returned, the guy is innocent.
ahhhh I love it. It was the cyclists fault.
You would do fine as an Iowa fan...they have an entire culture of blaming victims for crimes of the football team.
