McDermott under contract until 2015?

[bostrem00]

just wondering, how much do we have to pay McDermott if his contract is indeed bought out? he's won 14 conference games in 3 years, if you want to be successful don't you want win at least eight conference games per year? and this seems to be a recurring theme each of the past three years: have a win pct. of around .450 and just not really bother to show up at the conference tournament. We haven't made it out of the first round of the big 12 tournament since 2005. Every other team in the conference has won at least one game, the last time isu has won a conference tournament game, rahshon clark was a freshman and and is it just me or does the Larry Eustachy era seem about as distant as Fred Hoiberg or Jeff Grayer?

 

[Aclone]

just wondering, how much do we have to pay McDermott if his contract is indeed bought out?

No one's going to be buying his contract out, so why fdo you say "indeed"?

he's won 14 conference games in 3 years, if you want to be successful don't you want win at least eight conference games per year?

Dead horse, one, beaten. Flayed. A rotting pile of meat.

Under normal circumstances, perhaps. These have NOT been normal circumstances.

 

[bostrem00]

i wrote "if they do indeed buy out his contract" i was not inferring that they have and or will buyout said contract. I was meaning if they do. BTW the win total is a valid argument...i think you would agree with me that most coaches are judged on wins such as Bob Knight, Coach K, Eddie Sutton and when the coaches don't win they usually are viewed in a pretty dim light such as Matt Doherty at UNC, Tommy Amaker at Michigan, Barry Collier at Nebraska, and Melvin Watkins at Texas A&M

 

[CycloneErik]

i wrote "if they do indeed buy out his contract" i was not inferring that they have and or will buyout said contract. I was meaning if they do. BTW the win total is a valid argument...i think you would agree with me that most coaches are judged on wins such as Bob Knight, Coach K, Eddie Sutton and when the coaches don't win they usually are viewed in a pretty dim light such as Matt Doherty at UNC, Tommy Amaker at Michigan, Barry Collier at Nebraska, and Melvin Watkins at Texas A&M

The guy sitting next to me at the game in Lincoln refers to Collier as "That idiot. 'shakes his head' That guy was an idiot."

I kind of think he didn't like Collier.

 

[Aclone]

i think you would agree with me that most coaches are judged on wins such as Bob Knight, Coach K, Eddie Sutton and when the coaches don't win they usually are viewed in a pretty dim light such as Matt Doherty at UNC, Tommy Amaker at Michigan, Barry Collier at Nebraska, and Melvin Watkins at Texas A&M

I think you would agree with me that there are exceptions to judging a coach solely on the basis of wins as well. And that doing so in this case is, at best, premature.

And as far as the buyout clause, perhaps you might simply have said, "How much is the buyout clause?" Then you might haver gotten the answers both ways, just in case in three or four years Alabama or Arizona come knocking at the door. :biggrin:

 

[CycloneErik]

I think you would agree with me that there are exceptions to judging a coach solely on the basis of wins as well. And that doing so in this case is, at best, premature.

And as far as the buyout clause, perhaps you might simply have said, "How much is the buyout clause?" Then you might haver gotten the answers both ways, just in case in three or four years Alabama or Arizona come knocking at the door. :biggrin:

Our fans don't chase coaches to Arizona. That's more of a Hawkeye thing!

 

[San Francisco Cy]

Ugh, there's very few really good coaches that deserve a nine year deal. There's a bunch more coaches we could hire that could win 3 conference games a season.

I'd like to see McDermott win a real recruiting battle. All three of our BIG recruits were connected with an assistant.....TJ with Craig, Jean with Wes, and Daniyal with Colvin. Marquis was tight with Kantrail, but how many real recruiting battles have we won where we didn't have an in? Or the guy didn't commit as a freshman? JVB?

Yeah, and Beverly Floyd recruited Marcus Fizer. Either way, assistants recruit, and coaches close. That is the way it is in all sports...

 

[isunorth]

I think there's a lot of middle-ground between firing McD and extending his contract for 6 more years. Why is everyone going one extreme or the other?

I think anyone with some common sense would agree that McD has underperformed, but has also had to deal with a lot of issues that have been out of his control. That being said, I don't think all the "fire McD" point-of-view is fair.

On the other hand, I also don't think that he deserves any kind of extension. 6 years is a long time! There's very few coaches in the country that deserve that long of a contract. It's completely irresponsible for the athletic department to do this.

What ever happened to giving him a little time and seeing how things shake out? The next 2 years will be very telling...

 

[CycloneErik]

I think there's a lot of middle-ground between firing McD and extending his contract for 6 more years. Why is everyone going one extreme or the other?

I think anyone with some common sense would agree that McD has underperformed, but has also had to deal with a lot of issues that have been out of his control. That being said, I don't think all the "fire McD" point-of-view is fair.

On the other hand, I also don't think that he deserves any kind of extension. 6 years is a long time! There's very few coaches in the country that deserve that long of a contract. It's completely irresponsible for the athletic department to do this.

What ever happened to giving him a little time and seeing how things shake out? The next 2 years will be very telling...

This is a real solid post. It is surprisingly long. I understand it, but I'm surprised by it.

That said, you put together one of the day's best posts. Thanks for that one!:yes:

 

[CrossCyed]

Yeah, and Beverly Floyd recruited Marcus Fizer. Either way, assistants recruit, and coaches close. That is the way it is in all sports...

I'm just saying, all of our best recruits we had ins with before those assistants came to Iowa State.

 

[Bobber]

I think there's a lot of middle-ground between firing McD and extending his contract for 6 more years. Why is everyone going one extreme or the other?

I think anyone with some common sense would agree that McD has underperformed, but has also had to deal with a lot of issues that have been out of his control. That being said, I don't think all the "fire McD" point-of-view is fair.

On the other hand, I also don't think that he deserves any kind of extension. 6 years is a long time! There's very few coaches in the country that deserve that long of a contract. It's completely irresponsible for the athletic department to do this.

What ever happened to giving him a little time and seeing how things shake out? The next 2 years will be very telling...

Good point.

And if we go to the final 4 in the next year or 2, we'll think Jamie Pollard was brilliant....

 

[SpokaneCY]

You have got to be kidding me...

He has no motivation to succeed now because Pollard is paying him regardless.

Oh yeah - GMac really strikes me as the type of guy to sit back and milk it until 2015. Its just amazing he even bothers to show up for games.

How old ARE you anyway?

 

[clonedude]

I don't mind this at all. The basketball team needs stability more than anything right now.

I just hope that after HB comes on board and the Cyclones make the Final Four in a few years.... I hope McDermott understands how much Pollard stuck up for him when he needed it... and that he doesn't just jump on the next best job like Chizik did.

McDermott WILL be succesful here if given the time.... trust me. I just hope he stays here after achieving that success and rewards JP and the Cyclones for sticking with him through the tough years!

 

[CycloneErik]

I don't mind this at all. The basketball team needs stability more than anything right now.

I just hope that after HB comes on board and the Cyclones make the Final Four in a few years.... I hope McDermott understands how much Pollard stuck up for him when he needed it... and that he doesn't just jump on the next best job like Chizik did.

McDermott WILL be succesful here if given the time.... trust me. I just hope he stays here after achieving that success and rewards JP and the Cyclones for sticking with him through the tough years!

He seems like the kind of guy that would stick around, but then again, I was surprised to see him leave UNI. Not because I don't think he has the ability, but I always assumed that guys stayed at their alma maters when given the chance. The last three years of coaching manuevers have proven me wayyyy wrong.

 

[MontyBurns]

It's completely irresponsible for the athletic department to do this.

Our athletic department irresponsible? Say it isn't so!

 

[mtowncyclone]

pollard you tool:no:

 

[CyAg]

To start, I am still in the camp that McD needs time to try and make it work, and that we need stability.

Perhaps the program was in worse shape than many know.

Just my opinion, but there had to be other ways to compensate besides just extending the agreement by 3 years.

I also do not like the secrecy and what looks like might have been double talk on the extension.

Also, as was stated by someone on another site (to give appropriate credit). If there were problems with the NCAA or that serious they would have still been pursued after any coaching changes and/or ISU would have to self report them.

To insinuate that there are things that cannot be said, or we should just move along, will not fly in an open public records environment.

 

[San Francisco Cy]

I'm just saying, all of our best recruits we had ins with before those assistants came to Iowa State.

I just don't get it at all what your arguments are. Every recruit in the history of mankind has had some kind of connection. Whether it be an assistant coach or whatever. Jamaal Tinsey came to a game where we got killed and said, "they need me." And withing 2-3 weeks of him joining the team, he told LE "I signed a basketball scholarship, not a track scholarship.". Not too long after that, JT, Fizer and crew were smacking down UCLA.

Unfortunately, things have been rough for awhile. But, if CB sticks around like I think he will, I expect nothing but big and better things for ISU, next year and beyond...

 

[BryceC]

I just don't get it at all what your arguments are. Every recruit in the history of mankind has had some kind of connection. Whether it be an assistant coach or whatever.

I think he means a direct, personal relationship with an assistant, and he is correct.

 

[twojman]

Apologists, please tell me when McD will be held accountable. 2010-2011 season that ends 6-10 in conference, is that going to be considered 'improvement'. I meant that season because that will be 5 years of garbage. We have more on this board expecting guys to come in during their first year next season and make a big difference. Remember how you all talked about Staiger and Eick?

This is the second time I have been disappointed with Pollard, both times it has had to do with the men's basketball program. Like Obama, McD is clearly in over his head.