Leath
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Well, Bubu A. sucked and B. he was involved in an alleged sexual misconduct. are you sticking your neck out for that? I know I sure as hell am not. And if you're making a case for Leath not doing his job, this is about as weak of an argument as possible.
VEISHEA wasn't just thrown away on a whim. the university has given the students and VEISHEA like 5 or 6 chances over the years. I'm not happy to see an awesome tradition go away, but I also dont want to see incident after incident @ ISU in the news every couple years. If something isnt working, you cant just keep it around because it's always been there.
Because there isn't one. The only option people that want the event to stay can offer is to handle it better. What other options are there?
Riots are now ingrained into VEISHEA culture. All you have to do to see that is look at the VEISHEA thread on CycloneFanatic for this year. How many posts did it take to start talking about a riot? That is why the event had to be retired.
Madison WI had a history of big "disturbances/riots/call it what you want" on State St. during Halloween. So finally to solve the problem, they fenced the area off, charged admission to come on the grounds, brought in corporate tents and sponsors, had cops everywhere, and "tamed" it. We could have done the same for the 4 block area around Welch Ave., where all the problems are.
But...no one had the guts to try. It's so much easier to throw up your hands and cancel it...
You would rather he let people continue with the "Bubu is a persecuted saint" b.s.?
That's a little strong Angie, I thought you were more level headed than that. I'm just saying that Pollard shouldn't say those things, he probably should have just gave a corporate line, especially while there is still litigation with the case going on.
There is a section of religious people that would consider premarital sex immoral but there are still athletes at ISU that have children, or beat up a fan, or brought a bb gun on campus.
I'm just going by the law and the way the court proceedings are heading.
That might have been a possible solution to try for VEISHEA weekend if it had, you know, not occurred on a Tuesday night this time. Are you really going to expect any large entity (of higher education no less) to sponsor a week-long drinking binge?
It's actually not all that far off from some of the rhetoric we've seen in the never-ending Bubu threads here. Based off of the comments of JP himself here, the university is taking undeserved flack by the people who claim their decisions were baseless and biased. It's time for that to end, and the record to be set straight.
And I hope it does (but probably never will) but it's still in court. I just don't think he should have said those words. If that's the case, how can he have a felon on a field at the same time?
I think since this was a sexual assault case that emotions are coming out strong on it.
That's because sexual assault/child abuse are two of the most degrading, despicable things you can do to another human.
Exactly matching my words and feelings.
But answer the rest then. How can he say that Bubu was immoral but have a felon on a football field? I'm not trying to get into an argument, I just said it's a can of worms.
Yes, as did I. But I'm also not the one in charge classifying one person as immoral but not the other and the other has been convicted.
CycloneErik
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Leath sucks because [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Geoffrey was likely the best president ever. Sat next to [/FONT]Geoffrey on a plane once and the guy was articulate, loved talking about ISU and I could just tell that he really cared.
I have an issue with Leath and hold him partially responsible for what occurred during VEISHEA this year. It all stems back to the decision he made when taking over as president of ISU, to grow the student enrollment to over 35,000 (similar to that of Kansas). While a good goal for the university, it was executed poorly, and is having terrible effects for some incoming students. In 4 years, ISU went from 29,500 in Fall 2011, to 33,200 in 2013. That is 4000 more people to be housed in Ames with little growth for on campus options. So what is the University to do? Buy property in Campus town of course. Combine that with the massive student populations in Friley/Helser and in Towers to the south, you suddenly have a high density of young students centered around Campustown (where all the bars are).
So VEISHEA 2014 rolls around, Tuesday occurs and a perfect storm of bad decisions occurs. An understaffed police force broke up a handful of house parties that were getting out of hand. All of those students go to Welch Ave, because where else would you go. Suddenly things start getting out of hand and those nearest the craziness (the underclassmen) joined in. You end up with too many (intoxicated) people in too small an area, and not enough police to address the situation.
Im not saying the students arnt responsible for what happened-anyone who wants to be considered an adult should be accountable for their actions. But I am saying that the administration is in part to blame for what occurred.
So VEISHEA 2014 rolls around, Tuesday occurs and a perfect storm of bad decisions occurs. An understaffed police force broke up a handful of house parties that were getting out of hand. All of those students go to Welch Ave, because where else would you go. Suddenly things start getting out of hand and those nearest the craziness (the underclassmen) joined in. You end up with too many (intoxicated) people in too small an area, and not enough police to address the situation.
Im not saying the students arnt responsible for what happened-anyone who wants to be considered an adult should be accountable for their actions. But I am saying that the administration is in part to blame for what occurred.
I think that the culture of drinking is the biggest problem and that is nearly impossible to stop. If you stop nighttime activities, there are still going to be huge house parties a kids from around the state coming to Ames to party. If you fence off Welch, that still doesn't stop the parties and the eventual riots when they get busted. The riot will just be on Hunt or someplace similar. Like it or not, VEISHEA is and has been associated with riots and if it continued, you're still going to get every small town loser from around the state coming into town to get wasted and start trouble. It sucks that all the good parts of VEISHEA won't be around, but I just have a hard time seeing any other solution that isn't pie in the sky.
