Kempt is great...but....

[clonedude]

This thread only proves that we'll all never be happy on here, that's for sure.

Kempt won AT #3 Oklahoma, and followed that up by beating KU 45-0 in adverse weather conditions..... yet we have people calling for someone else?? Wut?

How about this..... we play with what we have. Right now we have Kempt and Noland. Park is not even on the team right now. He took a leave of absence.

 

[tyler24]

I didn't think Park was an option right now. Honestly we don't know when or if he will be an option. Pretty silly to debate if he should be our starter. It is pretty disrespectful to Kempt and the team and the job they have done

Well if the rumors of it being substance abuse related and he is in treatment, it'll be a little longer before he's back with the team. If he's in residential treatment, their programs are typically, at minimum 21 days. So if those rumors are true, I'd expect Park back for TCU game at earliest.

 

[GuyMcPerson]

I'm guessing a lot of really good college QBs never started a game in the NFL. Seems reasonable to me that Park could finish his ISU career with a legit case as the best to play the position at ISU yet do nothing in the league. I should probably just defer to you though since watching lots and lots of college football is what you do.

I agree with you. College QB'ing is far different than NFL. And I want to use running QBs that don't have NFL futures because we do not get NFL arms in Ames.

But what you don't comprehend is that Jacob Park is a pocket passer, and a mediocre one at that, so there is a strong chance that he doesn't win many games here if he does what we did vs Texas. If we are going to try to push it downfield 53 times in a game, Park will throw 3 picks and we will score 7 points. I can't believe how quickly you forgot the Manginor era.

 

[jkclone]

This thread only proves that we'll all never be happy on here, that's for sure.

Kempt won AT #3 Oklahoma, and followed that up by beating KU 45-0 in adverse weather conditions..... yet we have people calling for someone else?? Wut?

How about this..... we play with what we have. Right now we have Kempt and Noland. Park is not even on the team right now. He took a leave of absence.

I think a lot of it is people know there is a reason Kempt is just now getting a chance. Kempt just flat out isn’t as good as Park and likely what Noland will be. It is a tough situation because we have a couple of different ways to approach. Ideally we’d just have Park back and he can take over again. It sounds unlikely but that is ideal. Then it comes down to do we focus on this year or next year. Before Oklahoma I was definitely focus on the future get Noland experience and make sure to work on helping him grow. Now that we have seen Kempt we legitimately have a chance to do something this year. We also can see that Kempt isn’t as talented and while he has played great people are worried about the honeymoon ending.

We have seen quarterbacks come in and light the world on fire then regress to what they actually are. It is fair and understandable for people to fear that.

 

[Rural]

Wait, all we do is throw the ball down the field?

The last 60 some years have been an illusion?

 

[GuyMcPerson]

Wait a second... Which NFL team is Klein playing for?

Wait a second... Which NFL team is Klein playing for?

Klein ran for 1,100 yards as a junior and 900 yards as a senior. So even though him and Park will both never throw an NFL pass, their college skill sets are totally different. You can't honestly be so dim witted to think that just because Klein didn't make the NFL, doesn't mean that Park can't win 12 games and be a Heisman finalist too. Too bad we didn't go with Lanning as QB.

 

[CyTwins]

I agree with you. College QB'ing is far different than NFL. And I want to use running QBs that don't have NFL futures because we do not get NFL arms in Ames.

But what you don't comprehend is that Jacob Park is a pocket passer, and a mediocre one at that, so there is a strong chance that he doesn't win many games here if he does what we did vs Texas. If we are going to try to push it downfield 53 times in a game, Park will throw 3 picks and we will score 7 points. I can't believe how quickly you forgot the Manginor era.

So if Park plays like he did in his worst ever college game against a really good defense were in trouble? Ya don't say

 

[CyTwins]

Klein ran for 1,100 yards as a junior and 900 yards as a senior. So even though him and Park will both never throw an NFL pass, their college skill sets are totally different. You can't honestly be so dim witted to think that just because Klein didn't make the NFL, doesn't mean that Park can't win 12 games and be a Heisman finalist too. Too bad we didn't go with Lanning as QB.

So long story short you think CMC made a terrible decision moving Lanning to LB?

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Kempt is 2-0 as a starter. Obvious to keep him going. No question. Even if Park is ready to go, Kempt starts until he loses that privilege. He has earned it. Don't rule out Noland either. He throws one of the prettiest spirals I've seen in a long time.

 

[chuckd4735]

Klein ran for 1,100 yards as a junior and 900 yards as a senior. So even though him and Park will both never throw an NFL pass, their college skill sets are totally different. You can't honestly be so dim witted to think that just because Klein didn't make the NFL, doesn't mean that Park can't win 12 games and be a Heisman finalist too. Too bad we didn't go with Lanning as QB.

You're the dim wit who tried to judge a college QBs ability based on their NFL potential and then brought up Colin Klein.

 

[NetflixAndClone]

Klein ran for 1,100 yards as a junior and 900 yards as a senior. So even though him and Park will both never throw an NFL pass, their college skill sets are totally different. You can't honestly be so dim witted to think that just because Klein didn't make the NFL, doesn't mean that Park can't win 12 games and be a Heisman finalist too. Too bad we didn't go with Lanning as QB.

KSU destroys their qbs. Their starter might not even play another down this season because he gets dinged up so much. He already missed a season before. I would hate to run their system because you are pretty much destroying a kid’s ability to walk after he graduates.

 

[clonedude]

I think a lot of it is people know there is a reason Kempt is just now getting a chance. Kempt just flat out isn’t as good as Park and likely what Noland will be. It is a tough situation because we have a couple of different ways to approach. Ideally we’d just have Park back and he can take over again. It sounds unlikely but that is ideal. Then it comes down to do we focus on this year or next year. Before Oklahoma I was definitely focus on the future get Noland experience and make sure to work on helping him grow. Now that we have seen Kempt we legitimately have a chance to do something this year. We also can see that Kempt isn’t as talented and while he has played great people are worried about the honeymoon ending.

We have seen quarterbacks come in and light the world on fire then regress to what they actually are. It is fair and understandable for people to fear that.

It still amazes me how many people haven't learned anything from watching guys like Tom Brady and Peyton Manning over all these years.

You could be right that Park is better on paper than Kempt, but I'd argue that its also possible that Kempt gives us a better chance to win. There's MUCH more to being a QB than just being a physical freak that can throw the ball 70 yds down the field. There is decision making, accuracy, throwing a catchable ball, making the easy play, and leadership abilities (getting along with teammates, etc) that all make a good QB too. I'm not anointing Kempt as "the guy", I'm just saying it's a possibility.

Tom Brady was never the best QB at Michigan. He was buried on the depth chart behind more "talented" guys.... up until someone got injured and he got a chance.

Obviously Park looks to have more physical tools, but don't discount the fact that just maybe...... just possibly.... that doesn't make him the guy that gives us the best shot at winning games.

 

[Beyerball]

Well if the rumors of it being substance abuse related and he is in treatment, it'll be a little longer before he's back with the team. If he's in residential treatment, their programs are typically, at minimum 21 days. So if those rumors are true, I'd expect Park back for TCU game at earliest.

Yea i dont think Park is in Residential Treatment..He’s around the team during week...and its 28 days btw. If it is that and its guess at this point i’m not sure i see JP playing another game at ISU honestly..99% of people have zero clue what it takes to completely recover from an addiction or the time needed to do it.


As for Kempt..I’m not sure what the problem is everyone? The dude won at OU and we just beat KU by 45...Yea he doesnt have the arm strength that JP does nor the wheels but he’s throwing well enough for ISu to win games and thats all that matters. This team has rallied around him. I’ve seen 10x worse QB’s under center for ISU.

 

[Yellow Snow]

I don't get why there is an 8 page thread debating Park/Kempt when Park isn't even active. Park is not a choice for QB at this time... right?

We have who we have. Park is not available to play.

Kempt is fine. Noland looked good on a few passes. We aren't winning out no matter who the QB is.

 

[tyler24]

Yea i dont think Park is in Residential Treatment..He’s around the team during week...and its 28 days btw. If it is that and its guess at this point i’m not sure i see JP playing another game at ISU honestly..99% of people have zero clue what it takes to completely recover from an addiction or the time needed to do it.


As for Kempt..I’m not sure what the problem is everyone? The dude won at OU and we just beat KU by 45...Yea he doesnt have the arm strength that JP does nor the wheels but he’s throwing well enough for ISu to win games and thats all that matters. This team has rallied around him. I’ve seen 10x worse QB’s under center for ISU.

28 days is the ideal, but a person can get through in 21...trust me, I used to be a substance abuse counselor.

 

[aauummm]

Not sure what you mean???

Your post gets ignored. Everyone just keeps on speculating.

 

[Stormin]

I think a lot of it is people know there is a reason Kempt is just now getting a chance. Kempt just flat out isn’t as good as Park and likely what Noland will be. It is a tough situation because we have a couple of different ways to approach. Ideally we’d just have Park back and he can take over again. It sounds unlikely but that is ideal. Then it comes down to do we focus on this year or next year. Before Oklahoma I was definitely focus on the future get Noland experience and make sure to work on helping him grow. Now that we have seen Kempt we legitimately have a chance to do something this year. We also can see that Kempt isn’t as talented and while he has played great people are worried about the honeymoon ending.

We have seen quarterbacks come in and light the world on fire then regress to what they actually are. It is fair and understandable for people to fear that.

Kempt has less natural physical ability. But I would not say that he is not good.

Kempt is playing within the system. And playing pretty well in the Team Concept.

We seem to be playing well as a Team. Each unit is feeding off the success of the other units. Honestly, you keep starting Kempt unless the results on the field suffer. No way should the coaching staff ignore the intangibles that we seem to be thriving on.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

It still amazes me how many people haven't learned anything from watching guys like Tom Brady and Peyton Manning over all these years.

You could be right that Park is better on paper than Kempt, but I'd argue that its also possible that Kempt gives us a better chance to win. There's MUCH more to being a QB than just being a physical freak that can throw the ball 70 yds down the field. There is decision making, accuracy, throwing a catchable ball, making the easy play, and leadership abilities (getting along with teammates, etc) that all make a good QB too. I'm not anointing Kempt as "the guy", I'm just saying it's a possibility.

Tom Brady was never the best QB at Michigan. He was buried on the depth chart behind more "talented" guys.... up until someone got injured and he got a chance.

Obviously Park looks to have more physical tools, but don't discount the fact that just maybe...... just possibly.... that doesn't make him the guy that gives us the best shot at winning games.

Just watch some highlights from Tom Brady's pro combine. It's truly amazing how far he has come.

 

[clonedude]

Just watch some highlights from Tom Brady's pro combine. It's truly amazing how far he has come.

He's still not that "athletic", and doesn't have a big arm at all. Granted, he's in much better shape now, but that doesn't make you "athletic".

Brady has all the intangibles, that's what makes him great, not his arm strength or his athletic ability. And no... I'm in NO way, shape, or form comparing Kempt with Brady. I'm just saying that it's an example you can point to where the best physical specimen isn't always the best option at QB for winning games.

That throw Zeb made yesterday while rolling out to the RB was a thing of beauty. Can't remember who the RB was, but he was all alone, so Zeb just lofted it to him and hit him in perfect stride, but the way he lofted it out there made that ball so catchable. I wondered to myself after I saw that throw- I wonder how Park would have thrown that? Maybe he would have done the same thing, but I could have easily seen him throw it too hard too, or maybe overthrow it.

I'm not here to rip on Park at all. The guy is very talented, and hoping that he can come back, I hope he can prove he's the guy we need, and that he's changed his mindset a bit that he doesn't have to win games by himself..... he just needs to get the ball into our playmakers hands and let them make him look good.

 

[cyrocksmypants]

He's still not that "athletic", and doesn't have a big arm at all. Granted, he's in much better shape now, but that doesn't make you "athletic".

Brady has all the intangibles, that's what makes him great, not his arm strength or his athletic ability. And no... I'm in NO way, shape, or form comparing Kempt with Brady. I'm just saying that it's an example you can point to where the best physical specimen isn't always the best option at QB for winning games.

That throw Zeb made yesterday while rolling out to the RB was a thing of beauty. Can't remember who the RB was, but he was all alone, so Zeb just lofted it to him and hit him in perfect stride, but the way he lofted it out there made that ball so catchable. I wondered to myself after I saw that throw- I wonder how Park would have thrown that? Maybe he would have done the same thing, but I could have easily seen him throw it too hard too, or maybe overthrow it.

I'm not here to rip on Park at all. The guy is very talented, and hoping that he can come back, I hope he can prove he's the guy we need, and that he's changed his mindset a bit that he doesn't have to win games by himself..... he just needs to get the ball into our playmakers hands and let them make him look good.

Park has had 5 games where he's completed over 72% of his passes. People have this strange thought in their head that he's not an accurate passer and he's constantly over throwing receivers and can't hit a simple pass to a back in the flat, but it's just not really the case at all.