Yes, Weber made a Championship game with an extremely talented team that he inherited and an Elite 8 courtesy of Virginia making history.
Kansas State vs Iowa State Predictions
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Yes, Weber made a Championship game with an extremely talented team that he inherited and an Elite 8 courtesy of Virginia making history.
Name one non-biased reason Prohm is a better coach. I like Prohm but his credentials are nowhere near Webers. Weber is a borderline HOF coach. And again your point was only about coaching. Not a better recruiter. Not a better manager of a basketball program. A better in-game coach. If the question was who would you want running your program right now, absolutely Prohm.
Because he is? Almost all of Weber's success has came because of talent handed to him. If we're talking credentials than Kruger and Huggins are miles ahead of Prohm but we're not. We're talking about who you would trade Prohm for and I know I sure as hell wouldn't for Bruce Weber
I think the game will be about pace - Clones want to run, Kitties want to bash. I'll say this, if ISU can score 70 or more, they should win.
Weber is a good coach. What I see that holds his teams back at times is the same thing that I struggle with when I coach. Sometimes, especially when you have an experienced team and/or a leader on the floor, you have to just get out of the way. There are very few possessions that you don't see him practically constantly trying to move around the chess pieces on the floor from the sideline. If you want your players to truly grow as players and leaders, you sometimes need to let them figure it out or if they have, demonstrate that they have. It is sometimes a minor thing, but I think it is one thing that contributes to the big swings from season to season when he loses key pieces to graduation. Instead of grooming the next leaders of his team he has somewhat stood in their way.
This year is a great example. He has one of the most experienced teams in all of the NCAA yet he rarely just gives them a little guidance in a time out and then lets them execute and create. He is constantly shouting and pointing from the sideline. If you want every player able to be trusted to do the right thing, sometimes you have to demonstrate to them that you trust them to do the right thing.
Good coaching takes place primarily in practice, secondarily in timeouts and stoppages of play and tertiarily (a distant third, I might add) from the sidelines during play.
This year is a great example. He has one of the most experienced teams in all of the NCAA yet he rarely just gives them a little guidance in a time out and then lets them execute and create. He is constantly shouting and pointing from the sideline. If you want every player able to be trusted to do the right thing, sometimes you have to demonstrate to them that you trust them to do the right thing.
Good coaching takes place primarily in practice, secondarily in timeouts and stoppages of play and tertiarily (a distant third, I might add) from the sidelines during play.
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Wut? He went to the Elite 8 with 100% Weber recruits last year and is leading the conference.
He is on track to basically match (possibly exceed depending on the Tourney this year) the best 2 years in the history of ISU basketball (2000-2001 with LE), and all with his recruits.
K-State was literally gifted a path to the Sweet 16 that had never happened. To get to the Elite Eight K-State beat 8, 16, and 5.
These are always interesting reads because people cannot stop drinking their own kool-aid. Today, Bruce Weber is a better coach than Prohm. But Weber's 60 now and what the future holds is certainly debatable. Prohm is a comparative youngster with a solid record. It's one in the hand v. two in the bush kind of debate. Either would be solid choices.
Weber owns Lon Kruger. I think it's something like 9-4 or such. Lon has never won in Bramlage. As for winning with others' players, that's nonsense. He recruited everyone on State's teams the last several years including the E8 team. Self is a cheater. He cheats at Ku. He cheated at Illinois. Weber hasn't, doesn't and wouldn't.
If ranking for a game played tomorrow with the same dudes on a neutral court:
Weber owns Lon Kruger. I think it's something like 9-4 or such. Lon has never won in Bramlage. As for winning with others' players, that's nonsense. He recruited everyone on State's teams the last several years including the E8 team. Self is a cheater. He cheats at Ku. He cheated at Illinois. Weber hasn't, doesn't and wouldn't.
If ranking for a game played tomorrow with the same dudes on a neutral court:
- Self
- Huggins
- Weber
- Kruger
- Drew
- Beard
- Dixon
- Prohm
- Boynton
- Smart
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I doubt the B12 champion will be that low. But perhaps you see someone else winning the league.
I checked into this thread on a whim. Found out we're having (a serious, I assume?) discussion comparing Weber and Prohm as coaches. To everyone involved in this:
K-State was literally gifted a path to the Sweet 16 that had never happened. To get to the Elite Eight K-State beat 8, 16, and 5.
And he's following up that season up with being 9-2 in the B12. They are 5-1 in B12 road games. That's very good in a round robin B12.
Secondly, I was responding to Cytwins saying that Weber's success has been because of players handed to him, which is obviously totally false, given that he's having very good success in the last two years with his guys.
Lastly, they lost Dean Wade last year during the tourney run, so even though they didn't have a hard bracket, it's not like it was all luck. They are undefeated in B12 games where Dean Wade plays this year.
Almost was the key word there and last year they went 10-8 in conference, not 14-2 like we did in 2000. He was a 9 seed last year
Snead dusting Weber off and not letting him in to the TO huddle with the team vs KU late is all anyone needs to know about him.
“Get away Bruce don’t need you ******* this up”
“Get away Bruce don’t need you ******* this up”
Some people can even make leadership a negative. Reality is that the players love Weber.
Hoiberg's third season the team earned a 10 seed in the 2013 tournament.
Some people can even make leadership a negative. Reality is that the players love Weber.
Are you surprised? He was the only major conference coach to offer them a scholarship
You can find pictures like this of Eustachy with pretty much every player on his Iowa State teams, but there were several players who didn't really like him.Some people can even make leadership a negative. Reality is that the players love Weber.
