It's on Fred

[NATEizKING]

Defense certainly needs work. In more ways than one.

 

[jsb]

Defense certainly needs work. In more ways than one.

It isn't that bad.

Again, I feel the need to point out that it was a really good season. Jesus.

 

[Clonefan94]

This happened to Duke recently as well. I suppose Coach K. needs to learn how to coach better as well?

 

[Cyclonestate78]

It isn't that bad.

Again, I feel the need to point out that it was a really good season. Jesus.

It was a good season. Could it have been better? No doubt about it. Jim Calhoun said it best after the game... "defense has been a problem for Iowa State all season and it cost them in that game."

[video]http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12515056[/video]

 

[TurbulentEddie]

The way some people are they think Fred is above criticism. Contrary to popular belief Fred is NOT God! I do not know him personally but I'm sure if questioned, he would be the first one to look back & admit he has made bad coaching decisions.

If you have the chance to meet the coaches, please press them on every poor decision in the UAB game. You won't come off looking like an *******, I promise.

And make sure you hit that perfect "I know your problems better than you do" tone. Seems like a lot of posters here are convinced that Hoiberg is absolutely clueless about some of these "problems" (including ones that the evidence are contrary to).

 

[SeaClone]

If you have the chance to meet the coaches, please press them on every poor decision in the UAB game. You won't come off looking like an *******, I promise.

And make sure you hit that perfect "I know your problems better than you do" tone. Seems like a lot of posters here are convinced that Hoiberg is absolutely clueless about some of these "problems" (including ones that the evidence are contrary to).

So, aside from actually telling Fred what is his problems were or are (which really has nothing to do with what the ronandkay actually said), is your position that a coach can never be criticized for decisions made because it's his job to know his problems? Or is every other coach fair game except Fred?

 

[TurbulentEddie]

So, aside from actually telling Fred what is his problems were or are (which really has nothing to do with what the ronandkay actually said), is your position that a coach can never be criticized for decisions made because it's his job to know his problems? Or is every other coach fair game except Fred?

It's one thing to not like the way Hoiberg consistently does something (e.g. doubling the post, running sets through Georges, giving players the greenlight, etc.). It's another to pick at every single decision with hindsight being 20/20. The whole "I'd never have done that" attitude.

 

[jdoggivjc]

I've now watched the game twice and read almost every single post about the UAB loss. I'm a longtime ISU fan going back to Barry Stevens. I don't live in Iowa anymore but a major metro city, so here is a little detached perspective. I love Fred and think he is a really good coach and could be great one day. I watched every single minute of every all but three games early in the season. However, this loss falls on him. I think the following points need to get made:

1. The team wasn't ready to play. This is on the coach. He has to make sure they are ready to go for the biggest stage of their careers.

2. Their problem was defense the entire year, especially the inability to get over screens. This never got fixed and cost them on the last UAB OB play. This is a coaching deficiency if it occurs over and over. Defense matters especially in the tournament.

3. Fred did nothing to adjust the tempo. You can press for steals and/or tempo. Fred never tried to push the pace with a deeper bench against a 19 win team.

4. They were getting killed on the boards and Edozie never got off the bench. 5-10 minutes of him knocking some people around might have helped. It's not enough to stay close against a UAB, he should have been upset they weren't destroying them making a statement.

5. At no time during the year did Fred ever really get on anyone. Last year he had Ejim and a 25 year old Kane to do it on the floor but not this year. He needs to know when to fill that hole. Calipari has multiple coddled McD AA and he said in an interview before halftime when they weren't playing well that either you perform or you sit. Players want to be challenged. Calm is great but everyone once in while you need to get in someone's grill.

6. Matt Thomas was playing well and sat in the 2nd half. If Long isn't hitting shots then he is liability on the floor because he can't cover anyone. Why not make a substitution? It's one and done. If your Thomas and you play when you aren't performing but sit when you are: what is the message?

7. It was a good season, but the tournament is what matters. If we want a nationally prominent program then you have to perform in the tourney.

If were an 8 seed and this happened, fine. We were a four against a team that had to win its conference tourney to even get into the dance. Fred had nearly a week to prepare. Jared Haase seemed to figure out. He called timeouts before TV timeouts, so ISU could never get into a rhythm. Nice coaching and I'm not saying he is better.

Go ahead lose your minds.

[video=youtube;-bzB2N9xnJk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bzB2N9xnJk[/video]

 

[Luth4Cy]

It's one thing to not like the way Hoiberg consistently does something (e.g. doubling the post, running sets through Georges, giving players the greenlight, etc.). It's another to pick at every single decision with hindsight being 20/20. The whole "I'd never have done that" attitude.

It's worth pointing out that there are some people on here who have coached before and actually know what things they would and would not have done.

 

[Clonefan32]

I've kind of accepted that Fred is a brilliant conceptual coach, but not an X's and O's guy. He brings guys in who match the way he wants to play, teaches his philosophy and LETS THEM PLAY.

This style of coaching is going to lead to a lot of people second-guessing gameday coaching decisions. I've decided I won't be one of them. Let Me Mayor Coach and anyone who doesn't want to play for him can get out.

This is a perfect summation. Fred's theory on coaching has lead us to tremendous success. Two time Big 12 tournament champ, 4 NCAA tournaments in a row, top 10 rankings, etc. His approach works the majority of time, but it can lead to some clunkers as well. I am more than willing to take the good with the bad and realize what a mark he has made in 5 years. Also, I genuinely think the last 2 years we've had a team capable of making a very deep run in the tournament. Last year, we were stopped just short and this year was very unfortunate. But the pieces are there for a run, and in CBB that's all you can ask for-- a team that has the capacity to get hot at the right time and make a deep run.

 

[TurbulentEddie]

It's worth pointing out that there are some people on here who have coached before and actually know what things they would and would not have done.

Sure, but coaching experience aside, they don't know the players's strengths, weaknesses, and physical and emotional statuses in the moment as well as Hoiberg and the rest of the staff does. They may not know what specific plays the team has practice for late game situations. There are so many variables and things we don't know, it's hard to fault any coach for any particular in-game decision, with a few exceptions (e.g. Travis Ford having his team foul when he misread the number of fouls his team had :biglaugh.

 

[GTO]

I've now watched the game twice and read almost every single post about the UAB loss. I'm a longtime ISU fan going back to Barry Stevens. I don't live in Iowa anymore but a major metro city, so here is a little detached perspective. I love Fred and think he is a really good coach and could be great one day. I watched every single minute of every all but three games early in the season. However, this loss falls on him. I think the following points need to get made:

1. The team wasn't ready to play. This is on the coach. He has to make sure they are ready to go for the biggest stage of their careers.

2. Their problem was defense the entire year, especially the inability to get over screens. This never got fixed and cost them on the last UAB OB play. This is a coaching deficiency if it occurs over and over. Defense matters especially in the tournament.

3. Fred did nothing to adjust the tempo. You can press for steals and/or tempo. Fred never tried to push the pace with a deeper bench against a 19 win team.

4. They were getting killed on the boards and Edozie never got off the bench. 5-10 minutes of him knocking some people around might have helped. It's not enough to stay close against a UAB, he should have been upset they weren't destroying them making a statement.

5. At no time during the year did Fred ever really get on anyone. Last year he had Ejim and a 25 year old Kane to do it on the floor but not this year. He needs to know when to fill that hole. Calipari has multiple coddled McD AA and he said in an interview before halftime when they weren't playing well that either you perform or you sit. Players want to be challenged. Calm is great but everyone once in while you need to get in someone's grill.

6. Matt Thomas was playing well and sat in the 2nd half. If Long isn't hitting shots then he is liability on the floor because he can't cover anyone. Why not make a substitution? It's one and done. If your Thomas and you play when you aren't performing but sit when you are: what is the message?

7. It was a good season, but the tournament is what matters. If we want a nationally prominent program then you have to perform in the tourney.

If were an 8 seed and this happened, fine. We were a four against a team that had to win its conference tourney to even get into the dance. Fred had nearly a week to prepare. Jared Haase seemed to figure out. He called timeouts before TV timeouts, so ISU could never get into a rhythm. Nice coaching and I'm not saying he is better.

Go ahead lose your minds.

 

[isulive2train]

Thread is a joke. Bravo!

 

[AMarner32]

Hoiberg has only two technicals in his tenure. Weak.

Please, PLEASE tell me you forgot a jimlad.

 

[dirtyninety]

I am just still wondering......Whar Edozie? I don't know how you could not give him a few minutes after seeing what we all saw.
I think this team was good....but not so good to just appear with a standard gameplan that is known by the opposition with good coaching. Reminds me of football......

 

[Gunnerclone]

It's worth pointing out that there are some people on here who have coached before and actually know what things they would and would not have done.

 

[SeaClone]

It's one thing to not like the way Hoiberg consistently does something (e.g. doubling the post, running sets through Georges, giving players the greenlight, etc.). It's another to pick at every single decision with hindsight being 20/20. The whole "I'd never have done that" attitude.

I agree that MMQBing can be annoying after a loss, and sometimes equally annoying after a win. Every fanbase does it. It's certainly hypocritical to laud Hoiberg for having several of his TOs left after a close win, and then lament Hoiberg for having several TOs left after a close loss.

 

[Slammer]

 

[CycloneErik]

Just when I thought it was over....

It's over when some random person says it's over, so it's never over.

 

[Slammer]

It's over when some random person says it's over, so it's never over.