Huggins might be in trouble, DUI is good, Bees are bad

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Looks like his lawyers have written a statement for him. I doubt anything happens to him although I feel like some discipline would be appropriate.

I am 62 and have never said that word. When I was in high school, I heard it said by boys frequently but never girls. I never heard it at our house either and I had four brothers.

Being Catholic in small town southern Iowa, I did hear slur words about Catholics frequently as well. One of the high school teachers brought in her husband’s KKK robe and hood for some bizarre show and tell. The handful of us Catholic students, the two Jewish students, and the three black students all tried to decide at lunch one day if it was aimed at all of us or just a select group or two, or if the teacher was just clueless in general. My brothers were old enough to remember the Klan burning a cross in our churchyard, but it was before I was born.

Your School had Jewish kids? Way more diverse than mine. The Klan robe thing is crazy though.
 

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A few points from a 63 year old who grew up in WV.

1. When i was growing up, calling someone a fag meant he was a wuss or *****. You're such a faggot would have same meaning as you're such a *****. The word itself isnt offensive, but it depends on the context.

2. Mike Gundy used the "N" word and wasnt fired.

3. Huggins is a legend at WVU, and has the number 1 portal class coming in.

The AD has been the Ad for like 6 months.....

What i think would be appropriate is this.
A. no suspension or firing.
B. He donates A LOT of money to a Gay cause.
C. He agrees to retire after next season.

An immediate firing would torpedo the program, and that isnt fair to the players, donors, or fans.
C will only happen if Huggy wants to retire. If I was a WV fan I would NOT want that.
I do like the way your Baseball team and our Softball team have adopted each other. I'd buy that mountaineer cy that someone created.
 
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I’m southern Ia. & 10 years older and heard whispers of the Klan in the 50’s. But if your HS teacher in the 70’s brought in her husband’s KKK robe, I hope she was in her 80’s. But yeah that stuff lingered from post WWII folks. Our City Council quietly removed an ordinance on the books that blacks couldn’t stay in town over 24 hours that they discovered. The racism prejudice hate etc. we have today been around forever.

Damn I've heard of the sunset rule down south but never in Iowa.
 

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Damn I've heard of the sunset rule down south but never in Iowa.
When I was in HS in the late 60’s an older home was torn down in town and a trunk was found buried under the porch. When it was opened they found a KKK robe.
 
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Damn I've heard of the sunset rule down south but never in Iowa.
One of my ancestors was tarred and feathered in southeast Iowa. I think the Klan was active in mining areas which drew Irish immigrants and black workers. Every time I hear Simon Estes I think about what life in Centerville must have been like.
 
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Your School had Jewish kids? Way more diverse than mine. The Klan robe thing is crazy though.
They lived two blocks from us, siblings. They used to like to walk to school with us because of my brothers. The neighborhood bully lived across the street from them. He was not a bigot, he would beat up kids of any race or denomination. His sister beat up one of my brothers once.
 
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One of my ancestors was tarred and feathered in southeast Iowa. I think the Klan was active in mining areas which drew Irish immigrants and black workers. Every time I hear Simon Estes I think about what life in Centerville must have been like.

I knew someone from Centerville in college twenty years ago and the slurs were pretty rampant. They couldn't wait to get them out there after interacting with someone they perceived as different.

The three letter word in this thread and other terms were used often in my rural high school community and I'd imagine it was pretty awful for a few folks who came out years later.
 
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I knew someone from Centerville in college twenty years ago and the slurs were pretty rampant. They couldn't wait to get them out there after interacting with someone they perceived as different.

The three letter word in this thread and other terms were used often in my rural high school community and I'd imagine it was pretty awful for a few folks who came out years later.
The Homecoming King in the class behind me died pretty early on in the AIDS epidemic. I suspect the only person who knew he was gay in high school was a girl who was one of his best friends. Broke my heart to think back on what high school must have really been like for him.
 
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I went to HS with a family that had the last name Fag (might have been two g's). The girl was my age and her brother was a little older. I think their dad was a lawyer or doctor. I always wondered how horrible for them it was but they were all very nice and didn't seem to let it bother them.
 

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People blowing this off because "it was a normal thing to say when I was in high school" are honestly disgusting.

You all were clearly not on the receiving end of those hateful words. The 3 letter variant and the -got version have the same meaning.

The intended meanings have been to call a male too weak or too feminine. It is also used as an outright homophobic slur.

And yes, hundreds of years ago, it meant a bundle of sticks. I think we all know that's not what it has realistically meant for many, many years.

Stop normalizing hate speech.
 

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I'm sorry for their loss. There is a movement inside the Catholic Church council of bishops where suicide is starting to be recognized as resulting from the mental health disease of depression and not a sin. Sadly many in the Church will think exactly what you fear.
Things have changed quite substantially at least for Catholics. A neighbor’s father recently committed suicide and had a funeral Mass. Also buried with the family in the center of the Catholic cemetery and not off to the side
 

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Things have changed quite substantially at least for Catholics. A neighbor’s father recently committed suicide and had a funeral Mass. Also buried with the family in the center of the Catholic cemetery and not off to the side

I've mentioned on here before my dad committed suicide some 40 so years ago. One of the biggest funeral masses the church ever had. He is buried in the Catholic part of the cemetery. The farm crisis in the 80's is what got to him.
 

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People blowing this off because "it was a normal thing to say when I was in high school" are honestly disgusting.

You all were clearly not on the receiving end of those hateful words. The 3 letter variant and the -got version have the same meaning.

The intended meanings have been to call a male too weak or too feminine. It is also used as an outright homophobic slur.

And yes, hundreds of years ago, it meant a bundle of sticks. I think we all know that's not what it has realistically meant for many, many years.

Stop normalizing hate speech.
No one's blowing it off. Nearly everyone here recognizes that it's not acceptable word to use, and almost all of us quit using it. It's completely fallen off in popular culture too. It doesn't change the reality that in the very recent past this was normal.
 

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I've mentioned on here before my dad committed suicide some 40 so years ago. One of the biggest funeral masses the church ever had. He is buried in the Catholic part of the cemetery. The farm crisis in the 80's is what got to him.
I didn't know that. I am sorry for your loss and to read that. Must have been/has to be tough still.
 
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No one's blowing it off. Nearly everyone here recognizes that it's not acceptable word to use, and almost all of us quit using it. It's completely fallen off in popular culture too. It doesn't change the reality that in the very recent past this was normal.
Many people are blowing it off.

That's my point...It was never acceptable, even though it was part of the lexicon and used often in pop culture.

It was normalized because it was ok to use hate speech. There were no consequences, and it was seen as "cool" to make fun of people for not being straight or not being masculine.
 
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A west virginia website reached out to college basketball commentators to get their thoughts. I thought that Bilas, DeCourcy, and Wolken had good points. Gottleib was an idiot like always, and I also don't really agree with Goodman's take. We all know that apology wasn't written by Huggins, and I doubt that he even felt the need to apologize (at least at that point). It's much more likely that West Virginia came to him and told him that he needed to sign the apology, they would be doing an investigation and would consider whether he signed the apology or not as part of that.

I also think the apology was fine, but it could have been better. He "apologizes" to the people that he hurt, but it was a pretty targeted statement. He should apologize to the groups specifically, most importantly members of the LGBT community, but also Catholics. Also, there can be a difference between an explanation and an excuse. He used the word twice in under 5 seconds. It wasn't a mistake. So why did he use it
 
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Anti-Catholicism has a rather long and "storied" history in the U.S. --

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Catholicism_in_the_United_States

Fun fact from that vein --

The first public education law in what would become the United States was the "Old Deluder Satan Law" passed by the Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1642. In theory, the law saw to the public provision of education for the colony's youth but... was really to make sure those same youth learned Puritanism.

Which was about as far from Catholicism as you could get. So much so the Puritans moved to another continent to get away from Catholicism and its off-brand knockoff in the Church of England.
Really ratcheted up when they were enabling widespread sexual abuse of children clear from the top.
 
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Coach Huggins was the featured speaker at yesterday's Pro Football Hall of Fame luncheon in Canton. Sounds like he was just warming up for the radio show. A friend who attended the luncheon said Huggins left when his talk ended at 1, so he may have done the radio show from his car.


The irony is that Huggins's first head coaching job was in Canton at Walsh University, which is a Catholic institution.
 
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