Huggins might be in trouble, DUI is good, Bees are bad

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Yeah black people taking an extremely derogatory term back and using it causes so much societal strife... Of all the things that have happened/do happen in this country this is very low on the list of what is causing strife, confusion, division and conflict. I don't understand why white people not being able to use a word like that while black people can is causing anyone even a second of consternation. And I'm going to leave it at that since this isn't the cave.
It caused a big 'ole fight in my son's high school about a year ago. It seems that some black people consider the term quite derogatory when it is used against them by other black people. Who would have guessed????

I guess you figure it out once you get socked in the nose. Perhaps the kid that started the fight shouldn't have been so sensitive, or the black kid that used the term should have known that first or second gen black immigrants from other parts of the world don't always appreciate the term so much. All's good as long as you aren't the one getting the crap beat out of you. Carry on.
 

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It caused a big 'ole fight in my son's high school about a year ago. It seems that some black people consider the term quite derogatory when it is used against them by other black people. Who would have guessed????

I guess you figure it out once you get socked in the nose. Perhaps the kid that started the fight shouldn't have been so sensitive, or the black kid that used the term should have known that first or second gen black immigrants from other parts of the world don't always appreciate the term so much. All's good as long as you aren't the one getting the crap beat out of you. Carry on.
I have a close relationship with a black woman from Africa. She was surprised to find out blacks use that word so freely here, she thought it was just for show in music. In Kenya there is no real resentment for white people like people might believe, even when it is justified through their history and colonial oppression.

I also have a close friend from Venezuela who is black and they couldn't give a **** about skin color there. What I'm getting at is America is unique to the world except for Europe when it comes to racism. We're especially messed up.
 

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I have a close relationship with a black woman from Africa. She was surprised to find out blacks use that word so freely here, she thought it was just for show in music. In Kenya there is no real resentment for white people like people might believe, even when it is justified through their history and colonial oppression.

I also have a close friend from Venezuela who is black and they couldn't give a **** about skin color there. What I'm getting at is America is unique to the world except for Europe when it comes to racism. We're especially messed up.
South Africa's got us beat.
 

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I have a close relationship with a black woman from Africa. She was surprised to find out blacks use that word so freely here, she thought it was just for show in music. In Kenya there is no real resentment for white people like people might believe, even when it is justified through their history and colonial oppression.

I also have a close friend from Venezuela who is black and they couldn't give a **** about skin color there. What I'm getting at is America is unique to the world except for Europe when it comes to racism. We're especially messed up.
No argument that America has significant issues with racism. But there are many countries that have recently had or still have ethnic conflicts escalating to the level of wars or genocides rather than the largely economic and social barriers present here. So I have a difficult time saying that we are uniquely messed up.
 
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As to the bolded, where then do you put Bob Huggins in this? I think you have to realize it's not as black and white as people who use the word in a hateful/derogatory manner vs. people who make an honest mistake. To me, there remains culpability for someone who maybe isn't using it in an inflammatory way, but should also absolutely, unequivocally know better.
I hope that the take away from my long-winded diatribe wasn't that this conversation is black and white -- derogatory vs honest mistake. If so then I guess I should restate my point because it really had nothing to do with Huggins' words and more to do with conversations between and disagreements within the progressive movement.

To restate my point, it serves no purpose to "one up" potential allies by emphasizing that ____ was "never acceptable" when the point being made was that it was more socially acceptable/normalized language at that particular time. It is pedantic and counterintuitive.

Regarding your question, Huggins should know better and I think it is fair that we expect better from him. He absolutely is culpable for his words and actions because this change in language is not something new. It is established that such derogatory terms really don't have a place in modern America, especially given the context in which he used them. His words were derogatory, insensitive, and unacceptable. As far as what that means for him professionally, I don't really know. I think it really comes down to how he responds.

Does he attempt to make amends? Does he take this feedback to heart and seek to learn from this? Or does he double down? Does he simply pay lip service to make it go away?
 

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It seems foolish for any society to have/promote words that are hunky-dory for one ethnicity to use, but derogatory/taboo for all other ethnicities to use. The whole point of that arrangement is to create and promote societal strife, confusion, division, and conflict.
Societal strife, confusion, division and conflict is far more attributable to various forms of racism/sexism/lgbqt+-phobia than communities that are targets of that hate co-opting hurtful words to use as their own.

Anyone can use whatever words they want in whatever context they want. But no one is free from others judging them based on the words they chose to use and the context in which they choose to use them.
 

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I have a close relationship with a black woman from Africa. She was surprised to find out blacks use that word so freely here, she thought it was just for show in music. In Kenya there is no real resentment for white people like people might believe, even when it is justified through their history and colonial oppression.

I also have a close friend from Venezuela who is black and they couldn't give a **** about skin color there. What I'm getting at is America is unique to the world except for Europe when it comes to racism. We're especially messed up.

Ever seen how black people are treated in China?
 

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No argument that America has significant issues with racism. But there are many countries that have recently had or still have ethnic conflicts escalating to the level of wars or genocides rather than the largely economic and social barriers present here. So I have a difficult time saying that we are uniquely messed up.
Those are often religious motivations or territorial. Not saying we're Myanmar but that's a low bar for the 'beacon of the world'.
 

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Societal strife, confusion, division and conflict is far more attributable to various forms of racism/sexism/lgbqt+-phobia than communities that are targets of that hate co-opting hurtful words to use as their own.

Anyone can use whatever words they want in whatever context they want. But no one is free from others judging them based on the words they chose to use and the context in which they choose to use them.
But there is a difference when you are coopting a hurtful word, embracing it and taking the sting out of it. The LGBT community did that with the word "queer." And they did it without telling the vast majority of people they coudn't then use it. I don't really care but there is a difference there. It you want to turn that word on its ear and wash the centuries of hate out of it - absolutely more power to you, but why turn it that way in some contexts but still call it the most hateful word in the language in others?

To me what has become of the word "queer" is one of the best language stories of redemption there is.
 

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It seems foolish for any society to have/promote words that are hunky-dory for one ethnicity to use, but derogatory/taboo for all other ethnicities to use. The whole point of that arrangement is to create and promote societal strife, confusion, division, and conflict.

No, the point is not "to create social strife", its one group that's been typically hurt by it owning it as their own. Much as lgbt groups have taken "queer" and owned it as well.

If you see either one as something designed to create conflict, that says more about you than anything.
 

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