But that's not happening, and white people kinda just need to get over it. Saying the N word is like literally the only thing we're societally barred from.
Huggins might be in trouble, DUI is good, Bees are bad
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I just think if you really want things to heal, thumbing people in the eye isn't the best way to get there, but those whiteys that are going to get all pissy aren't going to change anyways.
This thread seems to be approaching cave worthy...
Good point. I mean, how often do we see where more people who aren't gay actually become more offended than the individuals who this type of behavior would affect/offend more. I'm not saying that the offender should just be let off the hook and let this slide and it makes it ok, but oftentimes people look for reactions and create more drama when it may not have needed to be. Not necessarily in this situation, but even other topics this happens a lot. Sometimes people look for causes to fight or ways to be offended.
I've even had a friend who was gay awhile back would complain about in his terms/words - there are gay people and then there are flamboyant flamers who seek and look for attention. That would annoy him. I'm like oh...did not expect you to say that.
It's almost like you need to get to know someone as an individual before making any assumptions about them based on any "group" they might fit into.
Myself included. There are more non-flamboyant than flamboyant in the world I’d bet.
The smiley is for your very last line. Not making light of your other responses.
Chief of Police in Urbandale was gay at one point. Think his husband was in the army too.
I don't think people are normalizing hate speech here. I think people are openly discussing what they encountered in high school and what it was like versus now because this is a message board and a topic to discuss. Are people not supposed to talk about it? Times have changed yes, which is a good thing and I used to be one to use it occasionally in a term of "that's stupid" back in the day. However, I don't even use the word in that context anymore or at all because people do mature and realize that it isn't needed. This obviously opens up to bullying which is rampant in schools. I got along with a lot of people of different ages when I was in HS (small SE IA school) and I was made fun of quite often. The 3/6 letter word got tossed around too often at my school and I did happen to be on the receiving end of that. I know there's banter and poking fun between friends, but even when people would say stop, it didn't. I knew what it was like to be bullied, so I always tried to be nice to everyone else.
It isn't pretty what Huggy said. I hope Huggy learns from it, but I have my doubts. We likely will never truly know. We live in a world where people do suck. They have no remorse for spewing hate and how they treat others. Does there need to be some type of consequence for his actions, absolutely. Otherwise, how do we learn from our mistakes? So, while I do not know the best course for his actions, maybe a class or two on counseling, some open discussions on their radio show, some donations to a good cause. I think there is a case for him to be fired, but I don't think that'll likely happen.
No lol, I know that it is more common and that not every gay guy is flamboyant. I meant I was just surprised at his comment about it as I didn't expect him to really think that. It's more about almost him in a way not being as accepting, if that makes sense.
You are a strong person to carry on thru that, the support you received at 17 and the self motivation was exceptional to go forward. Events like that put things in perspective and I hope you have found peace.
It seems foolish for any society to have/promote words that are hunky-dory for one ethnicity to use, but derogatory/taboo for all other ethnicities to use. The whole point of that arrangement is to create and promote societal strife, confusion, division, and conflict.
Yeah black people taking an extremely derogatory term back and using it causes so much societal strife... Of all the things that have happened/do happen in this country this is very low on the list of what is causing strife, confusion, division and conflict. I don't understand why white people not being able to use a word like that while black people can is causing anyone even a second of consternation. And I'm going to leave it at that since this isn't the cave.
It is foolish, but it's so ******* minor that I can't begin to bring myself to care.
Exactly what I explained in the post you replied to. Nuance in a discussion like this is understanding that when someone says "XXX was an acceptable term not that long ago" they aren't giving their seal of approval for the use of that term at that place and time. They are pretty obviously implying that the term was normalized and generally accepted by a large part of society. Shoot, they even said in their post that it wasn't okay but it was a normal part of language not that long ago.
If @Al_4_State used that term back in the 90s/00s then I would venture to guess that much like myself, they are ashamed of that behavior and by no means intend to diminish how distasteful and not okay it was for people like ourselves to use it. Their point is that society accepted, and normalized such hate speech so it isn't terribly surprising that someone like Bob Huggins still uses that language today despite how distasteful and wrong it is.
My point is, go after those who think that using that word isn't a big deal. But for the love of everything good in this world, progressively minded folks need to stop forming circular firing squads.
As to the bolded, where then do you put Bob Huggins in this? I think you have to realize it's not as black and white as people who use the word in a hateful/derogatory manner vs. people who make an honest mistake. To me, there remains culpability for someone who maybe isn't using it in an inflammatory way, but should also absolutely, unequivocally know better.
