How confident are you in Paul Rhoads ability to make ISU a winning program

Wesley

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Gene did his share of damage to the program so IMO it's fair to compare their winning percentages straight up...that said we have to stop talking about Dan. I don't regret that we fired Dan. If he wasn't going to get us to a B12N title in '04 & '05 he sure wasn't going to get back to a nine win season or the top third of our new 10 team league.

As far as the OP; I'm very confident that PR can make us a +.500 team w/ a bowl every year.

Will we ever get to a nine win season? That means at least six conference wins not counting bowl. The Mess needs to go unless we win five of the next six.

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Wesley

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What he is saying is that in 12 years, Dan had zero or or only one conference win 7 times. Think about that. He had ZERO conference wins in his 9th year and only one in his 12th.
Yeah, and that may be what we see in the future. Once the B12 stabilized, recruiting should be better. Yet, it is better for the other conference teams also.
 

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The comparison argument is nonsense the big twelve is not even the same as it was during the Danny Mac era. Our program is frustrating, and it's tough as nails to win here consistently. I'm not overly confident with anyone at the helm until we consistently win 8-9 games a year. I'm not upset with Rhoads performance, it's just we are not a very powerful program.

Can that change? I don't know, I don't have a crystal ball or even an eight ball. I do think to have a shot for it to change our offense needs retooling.
 

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Since CPR starting coaching here we've been competitive for most of the games and each year we hear him say it's his best class so far and they've gone on to beat one really good ranked team each year. But this year is different and I cannot figure out if it's the play calling, players or both. Everyone keeps saying were young but it's no different than those top 20 programs that are ranked year after year. They don't lose because they're young, they reload. We say in a couple years our guys will be really good. In year 5 we should never lose to UNI and UI at home and the other non conference team to begin the season in my view. And finally to lose to Baylor by that score has to make one wonder. Was SR pulled for Rohach because he was hurt or ineffective? Can any QB succeed here when he's running for his life because the offensive line can't block yet the opposing QB has a field day because we have absolutely no pass rush. I have total respect for CPR I hope this year is just a fluke but that Baylor game really bothered me...
 

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We watched Tiller get pounded. We were amazed at Steele running right after a second elapsed. We were surprised when Jared was throwing the ball short under pressure. Now we see Sam looking like Steele and Grant throwing like Jared. Maybe it was the oline problem after KO left.
 

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Holy ****. He hasn't bested Mac in ANY measurable categories of importance. You have to go creating spreadsheets of **** nobody gives a **** about to even say he's equal.


your avatar is perfect for you btw.

Yep, let's ignore the actual facts and stats and just rely on you to make that distinction because you have some unhealthy affliction with him.
 

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Who knows what would of happened if Pollard hired Jim Harbaugh in 2007. Harbaugh wanted the job, but Pollard hired Coach Chizdick. He could have built this program way up in a few seasons and we might have David Shaw. I think what Harbaugh did with Stanford in his time there was remarkable and David Shaw has done an outstanding job keeping that program successful.

I would be my house that if Harbaugh came to Iowa State, we wouldn't have had near the success that he did at Stanford. There is a pretty big difference between the 2 schools.

It's impossible to play the "what if" game with coaches.
 

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I have a hope that things will get better. New schemes, coaches, fresh faces and injuries occur with every school at some point..It's our turn to deal with it now.
 

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I would be my house that if Harbaugh came to Iowa State, we wouldn't have had near the success that he did at Stanford. There is a pretty big difference between the 2 schools.

It's impossible to play the "what if" game with coaches.
The guy is a football genius and has always hired a good staff. I have difficulty believing he wouldn't have had success here.
 

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The guy is a football genius and has always hired a good staff. I have difficulty believing he wouldn't have had success here.

He takes no prisoners. He would have finished his tenure and be ready to move on by now. We would have had a big time qb also by now.
 

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The guy is a football genius and has always hired a good staff. I have difficulty believing he wouldn't have had success here.
Can't totally blame JP for not hiring him then. No one really knew at the time how good of coach he was. He also interviewed at Tulane and North Texas in addition to us, before the Stanford job became open. I'd bet he wasn't Stanford's first choice either. But yeah, we would have been darn good in a short amount of time, and when he left, one of his assistants here would have taken over.
 

Cydkar

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I'm not convinced that CPR will get it done but I'd be scared as hell to try and pick a replacement.
 

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Dan McCarney was the best thing ever to happen to cyclone football....before mccarney went over to icity to beat hayden and the hawks ending a zero for 15 stretch, nobody and I mean nobody gave a rats A** about cyclone football.

Without Danny Mac who started the ball rolling on our facilities upgrades aka expanding the Jacobson bldg., we would still be winning one or two games a year consistently...aka the criner and walden years.

I do know one thing from my experience around ISU fans and that's ...Thee MESS er Corey messingham has to GO or a whole lot of season tickets holders will be throwing their renewals into the trash can...

This season is an unmitigated disaster and someone has to pay for it, and the fan base has already decided its thee mess of an off coordinator.

Go Cyclones beat the 'Pokes!
 

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Can't totally blame JP for not hiring him then. No one really knew at the time how good of coach he was. He also interviewed at Tulane and North Texas in addition to us, before the Stanford job became open. I'd bet he wasn't Stanford's first choice either. But yeah, we would have been darn good in a short amount of time, and when he left, one of his assistants here would have taken over.
Oh no doubt. I realize he was far from proven back in 2007. I just don't doubt that it would have been a good hire if Pollard made it.
 

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We can tell 4 years in advance. If we continue to bring in the least talented classes in the big 12, tough to expect the coaches to coach them up to finish in the top half of the standings.
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We wont ever consistently out recruit the south, but we need to not be at the very bottom every single damn year.

I don't follow the recruiting as closely as others, but this point has been mentioned in several threads, that ISU recruiting classes under Rhoads have been consistently ranked at the bottom of the Big 12. But there is a relative aspect to these rankings...

Say on a scale of 0-100, is ISU's situation more like the case where the top-ranked school gets a score of 100, middle of the pack scores 92, and ISU scores 85, or is it more like the case where the top-ranked school gets a score of 100, middle of the pack scores 85, and ISU scores 50?

In the former case, the talent disparity is probably not so great and good coaching could get ISU to finish in the middle of the pack as far as conference wins go. In the latter case, the talent disparity is likely too great for ISU to get more than 2-3 conference wins.

I don't get it. Paul Rhoads has never been a head coach anywhere before Iowa State and yet so many people on here are certain that if he can't get it done here nobody can. Maybe Rhoads isn't really an outstanding coach? Maybe he really is average?

I don't understand this sentiment either. When ISU hired CPR, there was uncertainty about conference alignment and revenue, which probably limited what could be paid for salary. With the current TV deal and (supposed) conference statbility, there is significantly more revenue available to lure in a coach.

Wasn't Johnny Orr the highest or nearly highest paid MBB coach, at least for a short while, after ISU signed him?