How confident are you in Paul Rhoads ability to make ISU a winning program

[im4cyclones]

Don't forget "if Rhoads can't win here, nobody will." I would pick over half the Big 12 coaches over Rhoads.

Just curious as to who.

I would take Gary Patterson. I think his style would translate well anywhere. Maybe Gundy. But that is it for me. Mack and Big Game Bob have significantly fallen off and they have the most talent in the league every year. Weis sucks. I love Briles but has he ever coached outside Texas? Kingsbury is a possible but only first year. Can he keep it going? Holgo at WVU is a disaster thus far. Snyder about 15 years ago would be a no brainer. But now? How many years does he have left? And they are getting worse HS recruits than us. His classes are filled with juco talent because no high level HS talent thinks he will be there long term.

Which ones would you take?

 

[ImJustKCClone]

So, are these the new two themes that have to keep coming up?
1. We love Mac. CPR is somehow no Mac, so he has to go, because Mac had to go.
2. The Liberty Bowl was bad, and we should never forget that it was bad.

Is that pretty much the loop that we're cycling through right now?

Add a couple of Mess references and you're all good....

 

[Luth4Cy]

Holy ****. He hasn't bested Mac in ANY measurable categories of importance. You have to go creating spreadsheets of **** nobody gives a **** about to even say he's equal.


your avatar is perfect for you btw.

Except for winning percentage, road winning percentage, and winning percentage against ranked opponents.

 

[JUKEBOX]

Holy ****. He hasn't bested Mac in ANY measurable categories of importance. You have to go creating spreadsheets of **** nobody gives a **** about to even say he's equal.


your avatar is perfect for you btw.

Iowa State beat Tulsa who beat Colorado State who beat Wyoming who only lost to Nebraska by 3 AND we beat Tulsa by more than 3 so if we take strength of schedule by 3.1202 I have come to the conclusion Paul Rhoads would have been 5-2 with Dan McCarney's schedule which means Paul Rhoads > Dan McCarney. If it weren't for the injuries on that all-star offensive line that tore up UNI, we would probably be undefeated. If Rhoads can't get it done here nobody ever can. No coaches want to go to Iowa State--Jim Harbaugh and Brian Kelly < Paul Rhoads. Because Duncan, Criner, and Walden couldn't win at ISU and they epitomize coaching intelligence, no one can win at ISU. Ames is just harder to recruit than Cedar Falls.

-Generic CycloneFanatic Poster

 

[JUKEBOX]

Just curious as to who.

I would take Gary Patterson. I think his style would translate well anywhere. Maybe Gundy. But that is it for me. Mack and Big Game Bob have significantly fallen off and they have the most talent in the league every year. Weis sucks. I love Briles but has he ever coached outside Texas? Kingsbury is a possible but only first year. Can he keep it going? Holgo at WVU is a disaster thus far. Snyder about 15 years ago would be a no brainer. But now? How many years does he have left? And they are getting worse HS recruits than us. His classes are filled with juco talent because no high level HS talent thinks he will be there long term.

Which ones would you take?

Art Briles
Bill Snyder
Mike Gundy
Bob Stoops
Gary Patterson
Maybe Kingsbury

 

[Yellow Snow]

Holy ****. He hasn't bested Mac in ANY measurable categories of importance. You have to go creating spreadsheets of **** nobody gives a **** about to even say he's equal.


your avatar is perfect for you btw.

What is your definition of "measurable categories of importance" then? I'd like to hear them. In what categories has Mac exceeded CPR through the first four years of each tenure?

EDIT** what spreadsheet did I create? I'm not following that comment.

 

[aauummm]

Don't forget "if Rhoads can't win here, nobody will." I would pick over half the Big 12 coaches over Rhoads.

The problem is, you may pick them, but none of them would pick us. We would have to be realistic and try to find someone who would love to be at Iowa State the way that Paul does and the way that Mac did. That to me would be a very, very hard find.

 

[JUKEBOX]

The problem is, you may pick them, but none of them would pick us. We would have to be realistic and try to find someone who would love to be at Iowa State the way that Paul does and the way that Mac did. That to me would be a very, very hard find.

I don't understand where this fallacy is coming from...

Jim Harbaugh and Brian Kelly wanted to coach here.

Perhaps Rhoads and Mac love ISU because they can have losing records, be paid seven figures, and still be glorified. Love doesn't win football games.

 

[awd4cy]

I don't get it. Paul Rhoads has never been a head coach anywhere before Iowa State and yet so many people on here are certain that if he can't get it done here nobody can. Maybe Rhoads isn't really an outstanding coach? Maybe he really is average?

 

[Tre4ISU]

So this is what it was going to take for the Mac lovers to come out of the woodwork. I had always wondered......

 

[JUKEBOX]

So this is what it was going to take for the Mac lovers to come out of the woodwork. I had always wondered......

I don't even like Mac, and I think it was the correct decision to remove him. I respect him for bringing some competency back to ISU, but his ceiling was mediocrity. That 2005 team should have been undefeated until a beatdown by Texas in the conference championship game. ISU just whiffed pretty big on the next coaching selection.

 

[awd4cy]

So this is what it was going to take for the Mac lovers to come out of the woodwork. I had always wondered......

I liked what Mac did in his time here, but after that 2006 season and not winning the Big 12 North 1 of the previous 2 seasons before that, he had to go. I don't get this comparing Mac with Rhoads crap because it's pointless.

 

[Tornado man]

So this is what it was going to take for the Mac lovers to come out of the woodwork. I had always wondered......

This is rich. The first thing lots of Rhoads lovers do, without prompting, is to bring up Mac and compare him to CPR. If we were any good now, no one would care about Mac.

 

[isuno1fan]

This is rich. The first thing lots of Rhoads lovers do, without prompting, is to bring up Mac and compare him to CPR. If we were any good now, no one would care about Mac.

Tornado man sighting in a Mac thread! Feel like I won the lottery.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

This is rich. The first thing lots of Rhoads lovers do, without prompting, is to bring up Mac and compare him to CPR. If we were any good now, no one would care about Mac.

Yes, futility and DMac do go together

 

[Tre4ISU]

This is rich. The first thing lots of Rhoads lovers do, without prompting, is to bring up Mac and compare him to CPR. If we were any good now, no one would care about Mac.

No one should care about Mac anyway. He had a couple good years, had teams he massively underachieved with, brought some life back to the fanbase and was sent on his way. He played in basically a different league with a different schedule in a different CFB world. Funny how none of this comes up when we are going to bowls and having a marginal amount of success. When it's time to get rid of a coordinator, though, Rhoads has to go with.

 

[CarolinaCy]

I don't understand where this fallacy is coming from...

Jim Harbaugh and Brian Kelly wanted to coach here.

Perhaps Rhoads and Mac love ISU because they can have losing records, be paid seven figures, and still be glorified. Love doesn't win football games.

IMO, we probably could have gotten Terry Bowden instead of Rhoads. In 2007, he wrote an article saying he was ready to get back into coaching. When Rich Rod left WVa, he openly stated that it would have been a dream job. He interviewed for the Ga Tech job that Paul Johnson got, and finally he had to settle on returning to coach for mighty North Alabama.

Chizik was hired by Auburn on 12/13/2008. Rhoads was introduced as ISU coach 12/20/2008. Bowden accepted the N. Alabama job on 12/31/2008.

Obviously the big question around Bowden was him being away from coaching for so long, but he did go 29-9 in his first 3 seasons back on the sidelines, so it appears he didn't forget everything about coaching.

Sorry, I've always been a big Terry Bowden fan and even thought we should have made a run at him after ditching Mac.

 

[Tornado man]

No one should care about Mac anyway. He had a couple good years, had teams he massively underachieved with, brought some life back to the fanbase and was sent on his way. He played in basically a different league with a different schedule in a different CFB world.

??? Both Mac and CPR played UNI. Mac never lost to UNI...

 

[Tre4ISU]

??? Both Mac and CPR played UNI. Mac never lost to UNI...

They both played at Texas too. They both played at Nebraska too. They both played highly ranked teams too. If you can't admit this is a completely different schedule than when McCarney was playing a **** Baylor, OSU, MU, KU, NU schedule and still couldn't make it to the conference championship, that's your issue.

 

[Psyclone Brian]

Many have said that ISU is a football coaches graveyard. It kind of makes me chuckle when I think back to a time when Jim Harbaugh thought he had the job after his interview with JP.