* Hoiberg Watch 2015: Wednesday, May 27 Thread

[mjhavlo76]

I tell you what. That combination would be very good. Fred Hoiberg staying trumps everything obviously. I truly believe he was/is the BEST coach in program history. But if he DOES leave, Hornacek would be the absolute BEST option. Question is, how can he recruit, and transition to the college game?

I'm sure some other smart poster has mentioned this but Hornacek could = Grayer could = Bridges could = profit.

 

[twocoach]

At this point, if we could land Horny, does anyone think it might actually be better for Fred to leave? 1. Although Fred can be this way, I think it's beyond selfish what he is doing at this point. Whether he likes it or not, he is in a position that emotionally affects the fans, staff, and more importantly, the players in an extremely negative way. At this point, his relationships with those people will NEVER be the same. At least IMO, regardless of results. How are you guys thinking, if he stays, this could affect his relationships with ISU players and the community if he were to stay? 2. Unless he comes out and somehow convincingly makes everyone to believe he's staying for more than a year, recruiting is surely ****ed for the foreseeable future. Maybe a renegotiated NBA buyout?? 3. The article posted last night about Hornys offense, although just from one Sun's writer, totally seems as if Horny would pick right up where we left off offensively and run with with it. Think a new hire at this point would also help with recruiting after this season (assuming we keep Mann as well, who seems to be carrying the load right now) What are you guys thinking as far as animosity towards Fred IF he stays with the ISU fanbase and players?

It's selfish of Hoiberg to be taking time to make a tough personal decision because it negatively affects the fans? How about it is selfish of the fans to demand that Hoiberg make a decision quickly just to appease them? There is nothing that is going to happen in the next month that is critical to recruiting in the Class of 2016 and beyond so don't act like this delay is hindering the program long term. It's not. And these NBA rumors have been around Hoiberg for a few years now and he has done just fine in recruiting the players that he needs. I get that people are impatient; this seems to have drug on forever. But thinking up silly reasons to have a problem with Hoiberg is unwarranted. Just be honest and say "I wish he'd just make a decision already because I am sick of not knowing".

 

[Dandy]

Is Hornacek required to finish out his last year with Phoenix or could he "resign" from that position to come to ISU?

 

[CyStalker]

The thing that worries me is that he may be using the ISU situation to get a better contract from Phoenix. I wouldn't blame him for doing that and I have no way of knowing if there is even a chance that is happening.

Suns are not doing great, Jeff has no power in trying to negotiate a better contract at this time. If the Suns are considering letting Jeff go after next year, there is no way they rework his contract at this time. They will just wait and see how next year plays out assuming Jeff stays. Plus Jeff has an issue on his hands with the Morris twins that he has zero control over so it may be a great time to get out.

http://heatwaved.com/2015/04/26/phoenix-suns-are-stuck-with-morris-brothers-for-now/

 

[Dandy]

I tell you what. That combination would be very good. Fred Hoiberg staying trumps everything obviously. I truly believe he was/is the BEST coach in program history. But if he DOES leave, Hornacek would be the absolute BEST option. Question is, how can he recruit, and transition to the college game?

Recruiting? Keeping Mann and Otz on staff will help that. Hornacek can be the "closer" and talk about playing against Jordan and with Stockton and Malone in the NBA for a bunch of years. His ISU jersey is also in the rafters too so that can't hurt.

Transition to the college game? Not exactly sure. NCAA has more time to prep for games compared to the NBA so that can't hurt.

 

[clone136]

The problem is now we have convinced ourselves if Fred leaves, Jeff H is coming here, and if he doesn't no matter what coach comes in we will be disappointed.

Also Hornacek would also leave for the next NBA job available.

 

[mjhavlo76]

This is a very good question. Don't know how his contract is spelled out, and if there is any clause. Anybody can shed some light on Hornacek's current contact with Phoenix?

Is Hornacek required to finish out his last year with Phoenix or could he "resign" from that position to come to ISU?

 

[CyJack13]

The thing that worries me is that he may be using the ISU situation to get a better contract from Phoenix. I wouldn't blame him for doing that and I have no way of knowing if there is even a chance that is happening.

Maybe he's getting sick of coaching for a GM who does nothing but bring in more point guards each offseason.

 

[Sigmapolis]

There's a small history of potential legends leaving Ames for greener pastures, regretting it, and coming out later that they just wish they had stayed.

Earle Bruce could have built the northern foil to Oklahoma in Ames before the rise of Nebraska in the 1970s and 1980s. Yes, he took the OSU job, yes, he had some good years, but he always said later he wished he would have just stayed a Cyclone instead.

Floyd... same deal. Great young coach, great recruiter in unconventional ways (built some good teams out of JUCOs and transfers, sound familiar?), preached some toughness and defense.

LE... best results we've ever had. Found Tinsley. Could have went far in Ames if he had kept his personal demons at bay, and still getting it done coaching elsewhere.

Just stay. Sometimes being a legend in the most loving pond in the world is enough. We'll pay you whatever you want. Best yet--job security. $2 million per year for decades, ratcheting up over time, at ISU is way more than $4 or $5 million for a few years in the NBA, if money is the issue.

The best wars are the ones never fought.

 

[Stormin]

Scenerio D: Hoiberg leaves for NBA, JP hires any number of half a dozen good mid major coaches looking to triple their pay and coach a Top 10 team. Otz is too young and inexperienced to take over this program and JP knows this.

Otz is actually older than Fred was when he got the ISU job. Otz also has more coaching experience than Fred had. Fred had none.

 

[CyStalker]

It's selfish of Hoiberg to be taking time to make a tough personal decision because it negatively affects the fans? How about it is selfish of the fans to demand that Hoiberg make a decision quickly just to appease them? There is nothing that is going to happen in the next month that is critical to recruiting in the Class of 2016 and beyond so don't act like this delay is hindering the program long term. It's not. And these NBA rumors have been around Hoiberg for a few years now and he has done just fine in recruiting the players that he needs. I get that people are impatient; this seems to have drug on forever. But thinking up silly reasons to have a problem with Hoiberg is unwarranted. Just be honest and say "I wish he'd just make a decision already because I am sick of not knowing".

I agree there is no loss with the 2016 class that would be signed out of hs, but this delay has hurt our ability to sign potential transfers that would sit out next year and be eligible in 2016. If they are transferring and willing to sit out a year, they have to know who they will be playing for to make that decision and the longer this drags on, the more we lose on the transfer market.

 

[clone52]

Why don't you think Matt A would have left? He got a chance to go back and be an assistant coach at his alma-mater coaching with an NBA Hall-of-Fame player who might also be the best/most famous player to ever play for his alma mater.

 

[cycloneworld]

The problem is now we have convinced ourselves if Fred leaves, Jeff H is coming here, and if he doesn't no matter what coach comes in we will be disappointed.

Also Hornacek would also leave for the next NBA job available.

Probably true. Which is why you keep TJ on the staff, get him a couple years more experience, and then assuming all goes well, hand him the job if Hornacek leaves for the NBA. Seems like the best case scenario to me.

 

[mjhavlo76]

I am currently thirty-eight years old. I grew up watching Jeff Hornacek at Iowa State and in the pros. He actually had played better in the pros than at Iowa State. He was so fun to watch! I still think he had a better shot than Hoiberg. Text book form and was leathal behind the arc. Hoiberg might have had other attributes that were better than Hornacek, but as far as a better shot. Hornacek has him beat!

 

[clone52]

There's a small history of potential legends leaving Ames for greener pastures, regretting it, and coming out later that they just wish they had stayed.

Earle Bruce could have built the northern foil to Oklahoma in Ames before the rise of Nebraska in the 1970s and 1980s. Yes, he took the OSU job, yes, he had some good years, but he always said later he wished he would have just stayed a Cyclone instead.

Floyd... same deal. Great young coach, great recruiter in unconventional ways (built some good teams out of JUCOs and transfers, sound familiar?), preached some toughness and defense.

LE... best results we've ever had. Found Tinsley. Could have went far in Ames if he had kept his personal demons at bay, and still getting it done coaching elsewhere.

Just stay. Sometimes being a legend in the most loving pond in the world is enough. We'll pay you whatever you want. Best yet--job security. $2 million per year for decades, ratcheting up over time, at ISU is way more than $4 or $5 million for a few years in the NBA, if money is the issue.

The best wars are the ones never fought.

Bruce is the only example of a coach saying he wished he stayed in Ames.

LE didn't leave Ames. He was thrown out of Ames. It wasn't his choice.

Has Floyd ever said he regrets leaving to coach the Bulls? Iowa State fans love to think that is true but I don't think Floyd has ever said he regrets the decision.

 

[Spam]

The problem is now we have convinced ourselves if Fred leaves, Jeff H is coming here, and if he doesn't no matter what coach comes in we will be disappointed.

Also Hornacek would also leave for the next NBA job available.

I'll absolutely take a coach that the NBA is going to want.

 

[im4cyclones]

There's a small history of potential legends leaving Ames for greener pastures, regretting it, and coming out later that they just wish they had stayed.

Earle Bruce could have built the northern foil to Oklahoma in Ames before the rise of Nebraska in the 1970s and 1980s. Yes, he took the OSU job, yes, he had some good years, but he always said later he wished he would have just stayed a Cyclone instead.

Floyd... same deal. Great young coach, great recruiter in unconventional ways (built some good teams out of JUCOs and transfers, sound familiar?), preached some toughness and defense.

LE... best results we've ever had. Found Tinsley. Could have went far in Ames if he had kept his personal demons at bay, and still getting it done coaching elsewhere.

Just stay. Sometimes being a legend in the most loving pond in the world is enough. We'll pay you whatever you want. Best yet--job security. $2 million per year for decades, ratcheting up over time, at ISU is way more than $4 or $5 million for a few years in the NBA, if money is the issue.

The best wars are the ones never fought.

This may be a bit of a stretch. And Tim Floyd didn't like living in Ames. Considering how his career played out, he may wish he stayed. But, at the time, he didn't like being the only fish in such a small pond.

 

[isu81]

Earle Bruce could have built the northern foil to Oklahoma in Ames before the rise of Nebraska in the 1970s and 1980s.

Really? Before his arrival at ISU, Nebraska had already won 8 of the previous 10 Big 8 championships and picked up 2 national championships along the way. After his arrival at ISU, Huskers won 16 of the next 28 B8/B12 North championships and picked up another 3 national championships.

Earle's record at ISU was 36-32 (18-24 in conference). Definitely the best run ISU has had in the last 100 years, but not sure we were going to be the northern power over Nebraska.

 

[MattSquires]

At this point, if we could land Horny, does anyone think it might actually be better for Fred to leave?

1. Although Fred can be this way, I think it's beyond selfish what he is doing at this point. Whether he likes it or not, he is in a position that emotionally affects the fans, staff, and more importantly, the players in an extremely negative way. At this point, his relationships with those people will NEVER be the same. At least IMO, regardless of results. How are you guys thinking, if he stays, this could affect his relationships with ISU players and the community if he were to stay?

2. Unless he comes out and somehow convincingly makes everyone to believe he's staying for more than a year, recruiting is surely ****ed for the foreseeable future. Maybe a renegotiated NBA buyout??

3. The article posted last night about Hornys offense, although just from one Sun's writer, totally seems as if Horny would pick right up where we left off offensively and run with with it. Think a new hire at this point would also help with recruiting after this season (assuming we keep Mann as well, who seems to be carrying the load right now)

What are you guys thinking as far as animosity towards Fred IF he stays with the ISU fanbase and players?

All my nopes.

 

[Rural]

I am currently thirty-eight years old. I grew up watching Jeff Hornacek at Iowa State and in the pros. He actually had played better in the pros than at Iowa State. He was so fun to watch! I still think he had a better shot than Hoiberg. Text book form and was leathal behind the arc. Hoiberg might have had other attributes that were better than Hornacek, but as far as a better shot. Hornacek has him beat!

He was a great player in both places.