When I first heard what Georges's mom said I thought the same that TJ wasn't perhaps liked. Thinking outside the box, perhaps she meant that if TJ comes back, she understood that meant CFH was gone. Maybe that is why she said we didn't want him back. Again, I'm not in the know at all, just playing devils advocate.
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When I first heard what Georges's mom said I thought the same that TJ wasn't perhaps liked. Thinking outside the box, perhaps she meant that if TJ comes back, she understood that meant CFH was gone. Maybe that is why she said we didn't want him back. Again, I'm not in the know at all, just playing devils advocate.
Yes, this is correct. Basically Hornacek is guaranteed $2 mil more from coaching the Suns. Rumors are he will get fired after next season. So him being interested in coaching his alma matter for 5 years, $10 mil (or something similar) makes a lot of sense.
Hiring a sitting NBA coach to come to Iowa State would be a HUGE get for ISU. And he runs the fast paced offense we all want. No brainer IMO.
Obviously the first choice would be to retain Hoiberg, a lot can change in a year and there is no guarantee their will be a NBA coaching position he'd be interested in open next year. Thus extending his tenure in Ames, even if cyclone fans have to deal with NBA speculation year to year, is worth the risk to keep this program on the rise.
I am curious, if having a possible successor coach lined up is playing in to the timing for Fred. He has mentioned in the past he didn't want to leave the next coach with a poor situation/roster. Having a coach like Hornacek lined up to replace him with a top 10 team may the fit with Fred's idea of setting up ISU MBB for long term success once he leaves and maybe factor that he choses to leave now, even if it is earlier than he expected he would.
I am curious, if having a possible successor coach lined up is playing in to the timing for Fred. He has mentioned in the past he didn't want to leave the next coach with a poor situation/roster. Having a coach like Hornacek lined up to replace him with a top 10 team may the fit with Fred's idea of setting up ISU MBB for long term success once he leaves and maybe factor that he choses to leave now, even if it is earlier than he expected he would.
Greatly appreciate Chris and Jeremy sharing tidbits they know and are, likely, much more vetted than "throwing stuff and hoping it sticks." Like many, I'm hoping Fred pulls a "what am I doing? I'm a Cyclone" and just returns...but all the "smoke" isn't comforting. Obviously, maybe we luck out and the Bulls are just jerks and screw Tibs over and don't fire him/trade him and the Bulls puppetting screws them over and helps us. Again, dreaming.
As all of this has unfolded, I'm just reminded of the "illusion" of college athletics...it's a business. JP rolled the dice on Fred and it paid off and, honestly, "rescued" ISU Bball. Fred has built it to a team ready to hit the final four...and now he may walk away for a bigger dream. It is what it is. He'll always be "The Mayor," but as many have shared, if he leaves now he ends up being the 3-4th best coach...no statues...no renaming of things...just a good coach for a few years. Sure, maybe some day he returns to be our AD or something, but we'd always be left wondering the "what if...." especially if his path is the same as many NBA coaches...success here and there, fired here and there.
As all of this has unfolded, I'm just reminded of the "illusion" of college athletics...it's a business. JP rolled the dice on Fred and it paid off and, honestly, "rescued" ISU Bball. Fred has built it to a team ready to hit the final four...and now he may walk away for a bigger dream. It is what it is. He'll always be "The Mayor," but as many have shared, if he leaves now he ends up being the 3-4th best coach...no statues...no renaming of things...just a good coach for a few years. Sure, maybe some day he returns to be our AD or something, but we'd always be left wondering the "what if...." especially if his path is the same as many NBA coaches...success here and there, fired here and there.
What I know is this...while I certainly share in everyone's enthusiasm on Hornacek, if Fred leaves, I also know that what most fans want JP does the opposite. So most likely what's happening is JP will either hire one of the top HS coaches in country or a top juco coach.
I can guarantee u with utmost certainty that CFH will not be coaching the Bulls in 4 years and prob not by choice.
Has there ever been a time where a head NBA coach has gone down to the college ranks without being fired/replaced and having time on their contract?
Every time I read the thread title I wonder if the CF intern is hiding in the bushes outside Casa de Hoiberg.
At this point, if we could land Horny, does anyone think it might actually be better for Fred to leave?
1. Although Fred can be this way, I think it's beyond selfish what he is doing at this point. Whether he likes it or not, he is in a position that emotionally affects the fans, staff, and more importantly, the players in an extremely negative way. At this point, his relationships with those people will NEVER be the same. At least IMO, regardless of results. How are you guys thinking, if he stays, this could affect his relationships with ISU players and the community if he were to stay?
2. Unless he comes out and somehow convincingly makes everyone to believe he's staying for more than a year, recruiting is surely ****ed for the foreseeable future. Maybe a renegotiated NBA buyout??
3. The article posted last night about Hornys offense, although just from one Sun's writer, totally seems as if Horny would pick right up where we left off offensively and run with with it. Think a new hire at this point would also help with recruiting after this season (assuming we keep Mann as well, who seems to be carrying the load right now)
What are you guys thinking as far as animosity towards Fred IF he stays with the ISU fanbase and players?
1. Although Fred can be this way, I think it's beyond selfish what he is doing at this point. Whether he likes it or not, he is in a position that emotionally affects the fans, staff, and more importantly, the players in an extremely negative way. At this point, his relationships with those people will NEVER be the same. At least IMO, regardless of results. How are you guys thinking, if he stays, this could affect his relationships with ISU players and the community if he were to stay?
2. Unless he comes out and somehow convincingly makes everyone to believe he's staying for more than a year, recruiting is surely ****ed for the foreseeable future. Maybe a renegotiated NBA buyout??
3. The article posted last night about Hornys offense, although just from one Sun's writer, totally seems as if Horny would pick right up where we left off offensively and run with with it. Think a new hire at this point would also help with recruiting after this season (assuming we keep Mann as well, who seems to be carrying the load right now)
What are you guys thinking as far as animosity towards Fred IF he stays with the ISU fanbase and players?
I'm sure some other smart poster has mentioned this but Hornacek could = Grayer could = Bridges could = profit.
Horny could capitalize on that momentum too, and salvage a strong 2016 recruiting class if they retain Otz. I think Otz should get a decent raise too if this goes down. I don't think Horny stays more than 5 and at that point assuming we have continued success and Oto sticks it out he would deserve the reigns.
Scenario A: ISU retains Hoiberg, secures commitment from Bielfeldt, and banks another scholarship for a mid year transfer.
Scenario B: Hoiberg (and Henry) leaves for the NBA, ISU hires Hornacek, he hires Grayer, ISU becomes front runner for Miles Bridges, retains Otzelberger, and ISU keeps uptempo system.
Scenario C: Hoiberg (and Henry) leaves for the NBA, ISU either cannot or chooses not to lure Hornacek away from the Suns, and promotes Otzelberger to head coach, and ISU keeps uptempo system.
These seem to be the 3 most likely scenarios, which one would you prefer? Maybe I'm adding a bit too much to Scenario B.
Scenario B: Hoiberg (and Henry) leaves for the NBA, ISU hires Hornacek, he hires Grayer, ISU becomes front runner for Miles Bridges, retains Otzelberger, and ISU keeps uptempo system.
Scenario C: Hoiberg (and Henry) leaves for the NBA, ISU either cannot or chooses not to lure Hornacek away from the Suns, and promotes Otzelberger to head coach, and ISU keeps uptempo system.
These seem to be the 3 most likely scenarios, which one would you prefer? Maybe I'm adding a bit too much to Scenario B.
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If anyone has animosity towards Fred in this, they're an absolute moron with expectations beyond reality.
The thing that worries me is that he may be using the ISU situation to get a better contract from Phoenix. I wouldn't blame him for doing that and I have no way of knowing if there is even a chance that is happening.
Scenerio D: Hoiberg leaves for NBA, JP hires any number of half a dozen good mid major coaches looking to triple their pay and coach a Top 10 team. Otz is too young and inexperienced to take over this program and JP knows this.
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